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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 152 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, I was on the fence about Carney, now I see he won't be totally awful for the country.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 week ago

At least he answers questions comprehensively.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

he still refused to recognize a Palestinian state

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

won't be totally awful

Yes there is some (a lot of) room for improvement.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 122 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Ha, "civilization". So that's what they're calling genocide today. Netanyahu needs to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't that the standard line when it comes to people settling land with pre-existing tenants?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Idque apud imperitos humanitas vocabatur, cum pars servitutis esset.

Gaius Cornelius Tacitus; c. 56 AD

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

10/10 reference, nicely done. Israel also turned Gaza into a desert and called it "peace". it's uncanny how little things have changed since Tacitus!

This is the same rhetoric that was used in Canada's genocide of indigenous peoples.

Part of reconciliation is denouncing what happened in Canada, which is still being felt today, and working towards reparations that are led by Indigenous peoples. We must learn from what happened and do better. But it is all in vain if we support the same atrocities being committed in other parts of the world.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, genocide has historically been a big part of many civilisations.

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[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 102 points 1 week ago

Stacks of dead innocent people and he thinks the other guys are the barbarians. Irresponsible statement?! HAHAHA. Get fucked you murderous piece of shit! There is no justification for what you are doing. And who cares about your one and only state. You don't deserve it.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 84 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I hate Hamas but the way Israel is dealing with this is horrible.

It doesn’t have to black and white or antisemitic to say that.

And yes, Hamas is playing an asymmetrical game and using the rules of engagement as a shield, but that’s still not an excuse for leveling entire cities and indiscriminately killing civilians, or blocking aid that you could instead be supervising.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bibi is a fascist authoritarian, a war criminal, and is so corrupt he's facing jail when he leaves office. He is no better than Hamas.

Zionism is literally religious nationalism — which shouldn't be tolerated by ANY religion — therefore Israel IS a fascist state. Society needs to stop acting like it's okay for the abused to become the abuser because they were abused. It was never okay, and it still isn't.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He is never leaving office. In the very unlikely event that the Israeli people start to turn on him I am like 90% sure he will try to pull off a coup and/or a false flag op rather than leave peacefully and face the music

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that's why he needs this war to keep going and the genocide to continue

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[–] plaguesandbacon@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (15 children)

The only people using human shields are the IDF

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And yes, Hamas is playing an asymmetrical game and using the rules of engagement as a shield

They're not, for the most part. This is Israeli propaganda that really took hold, but there was never any evidence for the human shields stuff.

[–] polyploy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

Yep it's actually Israel that has routinely and systematically employed captured Palestinians as human shields. For some background, there is this recent article in Haaretz stemming from anonymous IDF soldier reports, titled "In Gaza, Almost Every IDF Platoon Keeps a Human Shield, a Sub-army of Palestinian Slaves".

[–] polyploy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

If anyone is distorting rules of engagement and humanitarian law, it's actually Israel. Something that has come up again and again, especially in the writing of UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese, is the concept of "humanitarian camouflage" and how the Israeli state has very deliberately misused terms of international humanitarian law to cynically redefine civilian people, structures, and infrastructure as military targets. I am going to quote from an article she co-authored (available here):

The article analyzes the components of this humanitarian camouflage, unveiling how it has been deployed by Israel as a legal-political strategy in the service of a war of total annihilation. We start by examining how, since October 7, Israel has justified its genocidal campaign in Gaza using two registers: on one hand, a brutal register of dehumanization of the Palestinian population of Gaza, construed as a terrorist population to be eliminated; on the other hand—and simultaneously—a liberal register to legitimize its eliminationist violence in the face of its international allies’ audience, disguising it as compliance with IHL.

We then expand the analysis of the second register, showing how the Israeli military, mimicking IHL language, has construed the entirety of the built-up areas of Gaza as a continuum of alleged military objectives, reclaiming the ‘right’ to ‘lawfully’ raze houses, schools, mosques, churches, hospitals, entire neighborhoods, and entire cities to the ground, including the infrastructures indispensable for the survival of the civilian population, rendering the living space of the victim group unlivable. Subsequently, we examine how lethal distortions of the IHL concept of proportionality and collateral damage have been functional in construing entire masses of civilians as killable surroundings of military objectives with a diminished, or non-existent, right to life.

The analysis continues by showing how an array of IHL concepts like safe zones, evacuations, human shields, and “hospital shields” have been mobilized by Israel as technologies of settler-colonial displacement and genocide, creating conditions of life leading to the destruction of Gaza’s Palestinians “in whole or in part.” The article concludes by arguing that the settler-colonial genocidal war against Gaza, and Israel’s marshalling of international humanitarian law to legitimize it, ultimately shows that the international order has reached a tipping point whereby political acquiescence towards Israel and its legitimization as an international law-abiding state eviscerates the key legal tools the international community has developed to prevent international crimes. If tolerated, condoned, and unpunished, this process may inaugurate a new era of mass atrocities against protected groups in the Global South, in which big powers will be able to portray genocides as ‘incidental’ and ‘proportionate’ means to achieve their war aims.

I highly recommend reading the three reports issued by the UN on these matters, "Genocide as colonial erasure" which focuses more on historical context, "Anatomy of a genocide" which covers more of the present patterns of conflict, and finally "More than a human can bear" which covers the widespread and systematic use of gendered and sexual violence inflicted on Palestinians.

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bibi, the Liberals are already going to win, you don't need to help them!

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Good thing Canada would have to arrest him if he steps foot here. Otherwise he'd have come to 69 PP. That'd push the libs to the moon.

[–] discomatic@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 week ago (15 children)

It boggles my mind every day that a fucking Jew would commit genocide. Goddamn.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's assholes everywhere. A religion, ethnicity, origin, gender, sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.

An asshole is gonna be an asshole.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago

Conservatives are literally all the same.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Why? The Jews of Israel and the Jews of the Holocaust are in large part wildly unrelated and for the most part camp survivors spoke out against Israel rather coming out for it.

It's very effective propaganda on their part because most people can't be bothered to learn facts.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Imagine the lack of self-reflection to call someone a barbarian while committing genocide to steal more land from Palestine. I can't apprehend the confusion of thought necessary to think this way without starting with some blunt force trauma to the noggin.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's no self-reflection at all.

To him, he's not committing "genocide", he's "protecting his people from terrorists".

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not a Jewish state, a Zionist state. A Jewish state would follow the Mosaic Covenant. They wouldn't covet their neighbor's property (Palestinian's land) They wouldn't kill (genocide). They wouldn't take the name of God in vein by attributing their horrible actions to their god. They wouldn't steal the land and houses from people. They wouldn't bear false witness against their neighbor by calling Palestinians terrorists for simply not giving up when their land is being stolen. A Jewish state might not be that bad, a Zionist state, on the other hand, is a fascist state. #Gaza #Genocide #Fascism #Netanyahu #Zionism #FreePalestine

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Jews never agree on anything unanimously. We joke in Judaism that every small town has at least two synagogues, because of this

But as States go, you only have one full of Zionist assholes. Because the Jews in the other side are the ones that dont think there is a place for genocide, settler colonialism, and ethno-States

For this reason, there cannot be a Jewish State.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shit did Carney criticize Israel? He gonna get 90%in my riding anyway, but I might change from bloc to liberal if it's a proper critic.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sort of, but he mostly walked it back. Hard to tell if he's doing it to get through the election. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-clarifies-genocide-remarks-1.7506027

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Is this what triggered Bibi?? Nothing else happened?

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Israel is always on a hair-trigger against the faintest whiff of criticism. It's why almost everybody of any significance is terrified of giving them even the faintest whiff of criticism even when they richly and profoundly deserve it. Dictators often fall into the same trap (aptly named the "Dictator trap") when they make their administrations and subordinates afraid to criticize them and as a result end up finding themselves surrounded by yes-men and sycophants and become increasingly disconnected from reality. Criticism is necessary and important feedback for any nation, organization or person, and by instantly denying it and calling every hint of criticism "anti-semitism" Israel have spent decades robbing themselves of the ability to use any criticism to learn and guide their own actions. It's sad, because it's actually very understandable why Israel is so sensitive to criticism after what they lived through in WW2. We are literally seeing the legacy of generational trauma on a national scale. They now hurt others because they have been hurt so badly themselves. They are even hurting themselves because they are so afraid of being hurt again.

The reason they think all their actions in Gaza are completely justified is because they have pre-emptively shouted down anyone who might give them any contrary idea. Even people who are Jewish or Israeli are accused of anti-semitism if they criticize settlers, zionism, the IDF, or anything else Israel does. When you refuse to even engage with any views contrary to your own established point of view, you're creating an information bubble which may or may not have any basis in reality, and you'll never even be able to know whether your position is based in reality or not because you're simply not engaging with any other views that could ground you in reality.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"civilization" vs "barbarians"

Typical speech for those trying to justify genocide.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago

Canada has always sided with civilization

well that’s one way of saying it

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Israeli fascist, go fuck yourself."

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago

I swear the nation of israel is trying to go down with the ship that is the trump administration.

No nation, or organization should be able to get away with murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they want their land.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bibby has a weird definition for civilized I bet.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think you'll find it's very, very typical historically.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's ok Bibi, I was already gonna vote for him

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Ok BB Hitler.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 13 points 1 week ago

Stfu and go to The Hague you fuckin low life war criminal

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Since when did war crimes count as just means?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Netanyahu was going to be put in prison for life after being convicted on corruption charges before he let the October attack happen and then declared martial law.

He should be hung upside down and shot a million times

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