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[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren't so bad. I would guess that New York in particular presents more challenges for smooth ambulance traffic than almost anywhere else in the country due to its high traffic density and relatively narrow roads and streets. People likely want to move and can't. Excluding bicycle issues, Americans are pretty good about observing traffic laws and knowing when to give way. (but yes, to a German person, American drivers probably seem like troglodytes)

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

That's fair, but this issue is solved in European cities, via mass transit lowering the number of cars on the road, ambulances being built smaller to fit down narrow passages, and wide bike lanes which ambulances use in emergencies. If anything, NY might be one of the cities most poised to implement all these, if it can just get its shit together.

[–] VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I believe this video is from before the congestion pricing in NYC. I wonder if and how much it has improved since.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m in Manhattan this week, and have watched an ambulance slowly move down a street as cars struggled to get out of the way. Even with congestion pricing, there just isn’t much room on the narrow one-way streets.

[–] VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've lived in many European cities with narrow-streets. Somehow ambulances don't struggle too much.

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[–] wischi@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago

Not only that, in many places there are dedicated bus, and taxi (and sometimes tram) lanes which can also be used by emergency services.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I live in East Asia, where public transport is given major funding and has high ridership. There is no law requiring people to move their cars for an ambulance and people just don't bother. Ambulances routinely get stuck in traffic.

[–] TTH4P@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haha I like what you did there at the end

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[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Yep. Traffic gets the hell out of the way and stops immediately if there are emergency vehicles trying to get through where I live, even in the city.

[–] november@lemmy.vg 9 points 1 week ago

Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren’t so bad.

+1. I've never seen this problem in Chicago. Most people pull over and stop until the ambulance has passed.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago

Audio: Whoever needed it, they're dead.
Subtitle: Whoever needed it, they're okay.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's why nobody drives in New York. Too much traffic.

[–] sbf@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They're paraphrasing a Yogi Berra joke.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I knew it from Futurama, but you learn something new every day!

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For anyone wondering, the Rettungsgasse ("rescue aisle") is something we do on longer stretches of road whenever congestion happens, to allow ambulances to pass through as quickly as possible. Everyone on the right side of the road keeps to the right and everyone on the left keeps to the left, forming a roughly ambulance-sized gap in the middle. On multi-lane roads, it's formed to the right of the left-most lane.

There's also laws for it. You can get fined, if you hold up the ambulance, because you failed to form the Rettungsgasse, or if you have the audacity to drive down the Rettungsgasse to try to skip a traffic jam.

It's not really a thing in cities like shown in the video, as we'd typically try to drive into side roads or onto parking spaces or the sidewalk to make room for the ambulance. The laws don't apply there either.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is the law in both America and Canada, the issue is either just assholes deciding they are more important than the ambulance ,or a lack of places to move.

[–] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The law in my part of the U.S. specifically says to pull to the right to let an ambulance pass, but as far as I know, it doesn't give you the right to drive on the sidewalk (so as you say, nothing to account for a lack of places to move).

What our German friend there is describing is a convention to inform drivers whether they should pull to the right or to the left depending on lane position, which is really smart and which I've never heard of. If there is such a system here, it needs a marketing campaign, because it only works if everyone knows about it and clearly we're not there yet.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And also we just let people die instead of enforcing the rules.

Fuck drivers

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[–] Burbour@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The ambulance should havet the right to trash the cars of they don't move out of the way. That would maybe get people to move.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Put a giant cowcatcher in front of it

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

While that sounds nice, it also risks the ambulance being rendered immobile, or the equipment/patients being thrown around.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I looked it up, and the Rettungsgasse isn't a thing in Germany on city streets, only on highways (Autobahnen) and roads between settlements (Außerortsstraßen). (TIL it's a thing in Germany on roads between settlements because here in Austria it is only a thing on highways.)

There's still an obligation to move out of the way for emergency vehicles, but there are situations where that simply isn't possible. There are sometimes dense urban traffic situations similar to the one in the video in Germany too.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You simply move out of the way. Nothing more to it.

I've never seen a siren stuck in traffic in my life here in Belgium

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago

Same here. I'm German. I mean, yeah, maybe for a few seconds or something. Until people fucking moved out of the way.

[–] cenzorrll@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Neither have I in America.

[–] Burbour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Same in Sweden.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Living in Germany, I beg to differ.

In the situation shown every vehicle would have to move somewhere to let the ambulance pass.

Even if that means sidewalks or crossing red lights. Had to do so myself on occasion.

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[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Now I want a kinky bicycle. I just have a straight one.

[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

Kinky and straight aren't mutual exclusive 😏

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago

And people complain that climate protestors hold up ambulances, even though they always let emergency vehicles through.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah, so it is because of bikes! /s

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

NYC needs to ban cars

No cars on the island at least

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The german guy is playing it up for views but i do agree that's pretty bad. In Australia we have similar laws - you must move aside for emergency vehicles, penalty is a fine and demerit points on your license.

And in practice it is unusual for cars not to move - usually someone elderly/distracted that didn't see or hear them and probably should get a driving retest. The ambulance will squelch their siren / blast their horns as a reminder for people slow to move, but in my 20 odd years of city driving I have never seen an ambulance stuck like in OPs video - and yes, every major city gets traffic just as heavy as that with lanes just as wide.

This is a video of an ambulance running through fairly heavy traffic in Sydney that shows how rarely they get blockaded by traffic and how most drivers try to do the right thing. Low res unfortunately, but it is 11 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsplO_2l4hE

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Park near a fire hydrant or pass a stopped school bus and everybody freaks out, but this is just fine somehow

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

In NYC people block hydrants all the fucking time. Only time it's enforced is when there's a fire, by FDNY

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

In my experience this, and running red lights, is more of an American phenomena than one inherent to cars

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Never send paramedics to do a German cyclist’s job!

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is something of a new development in my experience. When I first started driving, people would actually move over to allow emergency vehicles to pass. But since COVID, it's just gotten ridiculous. Absolutely nobody pulls the fuck over anymore.

I am also pretty sure it's still against the law to not make way for emergency vehicles.

[–] drkt_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

alt source? catbox won't load for me and many others.

[–] LMDNW@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is because Americans are garbage people

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