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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 3 hours ago

Well if you're going to be prosecuted for peacefully protesting, you might as well do it non-peacefully.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago

History books are going to be wild.

Early 1900's... it's going to be about Nazi's and the SS.

Early 2000's... it's going to be MAGA and ICE.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 52 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

People try to kidnap you, you shoot em, right. I think it's Time to start shooting.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

anyone who makes that decision is, consciously in the moment, understanding their life is over.

ICE while in practice is acting like a secret police for the purposes of deporting undesireables of the regime, is still a federal police force, and a LOT of police are angry, trigger happy or bloodthirsty cokeheads.

you shoot at them, they're killing you. end of story.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Just don't miss, in Minecraft.

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 25 points 7 hours ago

The fate they are kidnapping you for could be worse than death (CECOT)

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 34 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

“My investigation is balanced and impartial, and I have received input from the federal agencies involved in making the arrests, all the more reason, it seems to me, to conclude that the ICE spokesperson’s attack on my integrity was misguided,” [Hingeley] said. “I leave it to my constituents to decide who was ‘posturing for the media.’”

...

Reading the article, I want to show it to my family immediately. They said the comparison to 1933 Germany is exaggerated.

[–] msprout@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I truly do not understand what it will take for my fellow Americans to become aware.

I assume that at this point, an unhealthy amount of Americans find politics distasteful and they try their best to avoid it — people who are just as affected by it as I am!

I'm not sure why you think they aren't aware.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 76 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

When this happens, be certain to record and remember any identifying characteristics (tattoos, height, weight, hair color, hair length, clothing, etc...) of the kidnappers. Spread the info far and wide. They're wearing masks and hiding their identities because they KNOW they're doing something wrong.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

And the same facial recognition tech that they use against citizens also works against them. They cover their faces because they don't want to be doxxed and held responsible for their actions.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 218 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (6 children)

Hold on, so let me get this straight, they're being arrested for interfering with a kidnapping? Because the officers were in plain clothes, did not identify themselves, and one of them was wearing a balaclava. Mf, you could be anybody. Fuck that. There's a number of states where, if you're being stopped, the officer must produce some kind of proof of their status as a law enforcement officer if asked. Ofc, that was before we were in the dictatorship. Now, cops get the choice between identifying themselves and possibly getting their family members to launch a GoFundMe page.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

You're looking at it the wrong way.

It doesn't matter who's on the right side of the law. They don't care if they lose this case.

They're trying to make ordinary citizens fearful of speaking up or calling them out. When they come to take your neighbors away they want you to look the other way because you don't want to get involved.

Honestly, it's horrifying.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 41 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

As is often the case, the behavior they are telling you you MUST not do, and they will NOT stand for and you definitely will suffer for it, is what they're afraid of.

At some point the public opinion will hit critical mass at the street and individual level. Maybe (and maybe not). There is a reason they always want to get out of the area as soon as possible, and have stopped wearing identifiable uniforms.

I have no idea whether a group of ICE agents getting mobbed by an angry crowd that outnumbers them 20-to-1 will be a good thing or a bad thing, if things do reach a point where that happens. I legitimately don't know. It's definitely better than no one doing anything until they've escalated to filling up all these detention centers they've been building with people who mentioned "protest" on Facebook. Also, certainly, them threatening retaliation against people who are showing signs in that direction is a real and dangerous threat.

I'm just saying there is a reason they are calling out judges and bystanders as the threat that they MUST shut down. It's because it is by far the most easy and reliable undoing to their power. It means a lot more than the Supreme Court, honestly, at the end of the day.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 28 points 21 hours ago

They're trying to normalize it. And they will succeed if it happens enough time and people don't do anything against it.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 95 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 28 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 32 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Some states might have it in law explicitly. Like some state constitutions duplicate first amendment protections. Or they might have a statewide identification system.

But a cop who doesn't display a badge is not a cop - they are a criminal thug.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. You stop being a cop the minute you break the law, or take the uniform off

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 17 hours ago

You stop being a cop the minute you break the law

By that criteria, all the murder, domestic violence, abuse of power, and obstruction of justice would indicate that there's NO cops in the US.. #ACAB

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago

Exactly, and now the Executive is arresting judges who don't comply

You think anyone's coming to save us? Me neither.

Any prosecutions should fail because there is no mens rea (intent) which is a requirement under criminal law (until the judicial branch is fully captured). The purpose right now is to send a signal that they are above the law and chill anyone attempting to stop them.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 20 hours ago

Many places this would get you shot. Clips from Brazil come to mind as well as Texas and Florida... Or just like Philadelphia

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 36 points 18 hours ago

Ah. See, that's how you know you did the right thing.

If their only response is "let us kidnap people or your going to jail!" Then that's a hell of a lot more than the people deported without due process

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 121 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

“It is shameful” wrote an ICE spokesman who declined to be named in a Saturday morning statement, “that the Commonwealth Attorney, a sworn officer of the court and fellow law enforcement officer, has decided to prioritize politics over public safety"

Oh that is fucking rich coming from someone working for the Trump administration.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

And won’t even spew their bullshit with their name attached to it. Cowards.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 50 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Projection is a HUGE tool the Right has been using for a while.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Projection is a tell, not a tool.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I get what you mean but they're using it to manipulate people

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

How do you use projection as a way to manipulate? Sure, you can lie to people, and they won't know you are projecting, but that is called lying.

So, how does one use projection as a manipulation tool?

[–] Fuhgeddaboutit@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror

"Accusation in a mirror is a false claim that accuses the target of something that the perpetrator is doing or intends to do.[3][4] The name was used by an anonymous Rwandan propagandist in Note Relative à la Propagande d'Expansion et de Recrutement. Drawing on the ideas of Joseph Goebbels, he instructed colleagues to "impute to enemies exactly what they and their own party are planning to do".[4][8][9] By invoking collective self-defense, propaganda is used to justify genocide, just as self-defense is a defense for individual homicide.[4] Susan Benesch remarked that while dehumanization "makes genocide seem acceptable", accusation in a mirror makes it seem necessary.[5]"

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago
  • Conservatives are doing [X]

  • They pre-emptively go on TV and loudly blame democrats for [X] before it becomes a major story

  • When it comes to light that [X] is in fact happening the public is already primed to blame their opponents for it

It's the sort of thing a 5 year old might do to try and blame the cat for a broken cookie jar, it's baby's first con, it's stupendously obvious what's going on, but, here we are.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

It's a specific type of lying. Calling a thing by its name is fundamental to generating broad understanding.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 20 points 20 hours ago

An anonymous, wanna-be brownshirt coward ICE spokesman, at that.

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 86 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

It's time for a nationwide movement to dox ICE agents.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 51 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I think you spelled shoot wrong.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 56 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 21 hours ago

Comment of the year right here. Awesome. I like you.

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[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago

I do know some has been doxed in the past week.

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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 58 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

“It is shameful,” wrote an ICE spokesman who declined to be named.

Well, that's everything you needed to know. This is what the 2nd ammendment was for. All enemies foreign and domestic.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Weird, the NRA and all the most vocal gun supporters are deafeningly silent about the recent chaos and destruction of this country. They're literally ignoring your rights.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 11 points 18 hours ago

Rules for thee, not for me. Fuckem.

[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 21 points 19 hours ago

Its time for community action! Thats the only chance of standing up against these tyrants rolling into these areas and abducting people.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 37 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It won’t be long before people and neighborhoods start violently defending against ICE activities like this.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

ICE Watch.

Take turns keeping an eye out for and warning people in the community.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 18 points 21 hours ago

One can only hope Americans still have it in them to do stuff like that.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Why does everything bad happen in Charlottesville?

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