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Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?...

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 9 hours ago

Private property. Remove that and many problems will solve themselves real quick, though that will also cause a large number of human deaths before things stabilize

[–] DevotedOtter@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

Those are all things that can make a better society. Why do they need to be given up?

[–] Eiren@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

Define better.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Nice try conservative policy maker!

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 5 points 18 hours ago

We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 1 points 15 hours ago

I would don the black hood and swing the ax

Tis messy work, but it's gotta be done

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Conservatives.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Every last person working to make it a worse world.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 3 points 20 hours ago

Provided they don't touch freedom to not breed, and we don't put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.

But I don't want kids, so it's not much of a sacrifice.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

For me that would depend on whether it's just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity's. I didn't come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

The landlords.

There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Billionaires, to the god Quetzalcoatl.

I think we could sacrifice billionaires to Peppa Pig and it'd still get the job done.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm the guy dancing in this image

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[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Private property isn't a sacrifice. I don't own any.

There's a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.

Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it's often allowed, it's when it's a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.

I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it's an odd thing to mention.

I'd be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I'd be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.

[–] Nemoder@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It really depends on the kind of convenience.

Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.

[–] a_new_sad_me@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.

This guy speaks about this (I'm not sure if this is the right video)

https://youtu.be/nrv45bvP8qo

[–] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Who is "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? I absolutely would make that sacrifice. I hate smartphones. I didn't own one until 2020 and only ended up with it because some scumbag salesman tricked my aging mom into buying it and adding a new number on her account under contract. So she gave it to me. I wish smartphones would go away. They are as "smart" as AI is "intelligent". I've gone without a car most of my life, i've never had netflix/instagram/amazon/twitter/etc accounts, I didn't have internet for the first 15 years as an adult and I am ready to give these things I have now that I don't want, which are somehow mandatory to participate in life these days. The prospect of getting rid of it all and trying my hand at hermit life or as a hobo grow stronger every day.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I don't know if the general population cares about phone thickness that much, but in my case I actually would hate a too thin phone.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

How much better of a world? I'd be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I'd bet that by the time I was old we'd personally be better off than before the split.

[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Some billionaires

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of the trouble in the US was caused by people using their freedom to do terrible things to people, and to set the stage for more of the same.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

America is not nearly as free as it claims to be.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

No, it isn't.

What does that have to do with my claim?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

We’re talking about a better world and giving up freedoms. Americans have given up a bunch of freedoms and have gotten a worse world because of it.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The one does not flow directly from the other. A better world requires some protecting from each other, which means giving up some freedoms. A system of complete and total freedom would not be good for most people.

However, as Franken said, it is important not to give up essential freedoms. What freedoms, exactly, count as "essential" ones? Hard to say. We should have a thread to discuss it.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, the freedom to murder people would not be good for most people, but you are taking away others’ freedoms when you do that. But, this thread is about private property, speech, starting a family, and thought. Maybe I should have been more specific in my original comment. A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing these freedoms. It would require giving up the freedom to take others’ freedoms away.

Any freedom that means you have control over your own body and thoughts, I would consider an β€œessential” freedom, and those are the ones that I mean when I say a better world wouldn’t require giving up those freedoms. If you’re giving up your right to control your own body, you’re inviting a worse world.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 16 hours ago

On this, I think we can agree.

the ability to lie and "falsely claim".

imagine everybody is stricken with that boy's wish from "liar liar"

sure there would be a bunch of hurt feelings, but maybe the better world can compensate?

The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin' at you Lindsay Graham) enablers

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'd sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Also ban advertisements

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[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

my chains. i've nothing else to lose.

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[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It won't be a better world if there's no private property or freedom of speech or freedom to breed or freedom of thought.

The instant these freedoms are forfeited, the world becomes worse.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

No private property = better world for everyone (bourgies dont count)

[–] LucJenson@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

I don't particularly want to be remembered for anything in my life. I don't need fame or standing. I dedicate my life to trying to improve people's lives as a teacher. I'd give my life if it meant everyone would live a significantly better life forever.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A better world would imply that its better even when considering the sacrifice, meaning that any sacrifice would be worth it

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[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Burger King's Chicken fries

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How much better we talking here?

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's hard to imagine a world with no freedom of thought being better, somehow.

In practice, I doubt we'll ever have to sacrifice much more than we already have. (Which is actually a significant amount. For example, until recent history living on a schedule was for ascetics and flagellants)

[–] nicgentile@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Vanity projects.

[–] fakir@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

If you're not free, the world isn't free.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Private property. I don't actually want to own things for the sake of owning things, I want a stable and reasonably comfortable life. In the current system, the only way to reliably achieve that is to own the things you need in your life. But if the system were such that you could live a decent life without owning a thing, I'll take that.

And that is with the interpretation of private property as literally any possession you can own. If we go by the socialist interpretation of private property as property used to generate capital, I already have no private property and neither do most people here.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Trump.

Edit: QuarterSwede beat me to it, so I'll go for Musk as a close second.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Private property for sure, as I don't have any.

Freedom of speech too, as I don't have any.

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