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A Montreal woman who was told by health-care professionals that she was too young for breast cancer but later diagnosed with it, has died from the disease. Valerie Buchanan was 32 when she died at the end of February.

“I keep asking myself why anyone, but selfishly, why her?” Chris Scheepers, Buchanan’s husband told CTVNews.ca in a telephone interview. “She was a beautiful person. She was extremely driven, talented and positive. What really breaks me is our son won’t know the truly remarkable woman she was.”

Throughout 2020, Buchanan sought answers for a lump in her chest but had said she was reassured by multiple health-care professionals in Ottawa and Montreal that it was a benign cyst without sending her for imaging to confirm.

After 13 months, Buchanan eventually went to a private clinic and was diagnosed with Stage 3 triple-negative breast cancer – a biologically aggressive subtype of breast cancer. Just a few months later, she learned it was Stage 4.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

ive seen alot of these videos"too young to have this type of cancer" triple negative and inflammatory breast cancer is more prevelant in younger woman, reasons are unknown.

triple negatives which means they wont respond to hormonal therapy like estrogen.

once saw an episode of a show that shows rare disease, and IBC was one of them.

and doctors tend to ignore symptoms of a uncommon disease thats mean for older people, they are not used to it, unless the doctor have seen many patients with breast cancer.

[–] LavaPlanet@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's a thing everywhere that women are routinely told "it's anxiety / depression" etc, and aren't listened to. It takes years longer for women to receive diagnosis for anything. Advocate for the women in your life. Go to doctors appointments with them. Apparently if a man goes with them, they'll, more likely be listened to, team up with someone who won't take no for an answer. It's not just the car dealerships that women face issues, it's everywhere.

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I can confirm this from first hand experience. The doctor's office I was seeing wouldn't answer my very basic questions, almost comically choosing to ignore or deflect me. I called my dad, he asked the same questions, and immediately got answered. I asked them why they wouldn't tell me that and they couldn't explain themselves. They gave me a halfhearted apology and I found a new doctor.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Similar story, my ex had health issues most of her life and her doctors kept missing what was going on, partially because they didn't believe her about some things. One doctor deciding to investigate instead of dismissing saved her life when he found out her birth control was killing her, though her gp at the time still wanted her to finish the course.

That same gp also didn't believe she was actually dislocating her limbs until she finally just did it in front of him and he changed his tune right away (though still didn't really help).

Later she had a new better gp as well as a good idea of what chronic issue she had, but he still resisted when she was pushing for a diagnosis. I just came along for one appointment and when he said something like "this isn't a clear sign that you have ", I asked what evidence was he considering that pointed at her not having it. He then admitted he didn't know much about the condition and would do some research. After doing some reading, he was quick to give her a referral to a clinic that specialized in the condition because apparently he needed to be asked about his reasoning from a man to even bother learning about the condition that matched her experience very well and that she was later diagnosed with a severe form of.

I think AIs will be great for diagnosis because they will be able to cut out the biases doctors have against ever suspecting a rare case or giving women any consideration deeper than "stress".

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 19 hours ago

It's simpler to say that doctors are morons. And I mean that in a very real sense, I suspect that part of medical school is a lobotomy. Without fail, doctors have been some of the dimmest brutes humanity has to offer.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I agree but as a healthcare worker it’s across the board, if you’re a woman, a minority, a blue collar worker, a poor person, the Canadian heath industry has increasingly brushed all of our issues under the rug as they cut more and more from healthcare

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Its not just canadian healthcare.

in America its much the same way.

Doctors are over worked, nurses are under staffed, no one wants to deal with anything that cant be diagnosed and solved in 2 minutes with a hastily written prescription. Even worse if you are poor, not white, have chronic issues, etc.

Last time I changed doctors (which was before covid), It took me 5 fucking years to find a doctor that would take me.. cause most of them wont even see potentially "problematic" patients.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

While I can agree with much of what you said, in my experience - almost without fail - male doctors I've seen to diagnose my twice-blown ACL and rotator cuff have dismissed me outright ... often mumbling that girls can't hurt themselves that bad at work.

It's gd aggravating at best. At worst I did more damage to both my knee and shoulder because the Drs didn't give any time off work at the sawmill.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Oh I am not in any way saying sexism doesnt exist in medicine.

I am not a woman, but I have seen plenty how my female relatives were treated in ERs and just by their daily doctors, even by female doctors, to know that the sexism is just ingrained in the institution of medicine itself.

and no, that does not make it right, in case anyone tries to say i'm arguing in favor of sexism or something. Im just saying its not a one off thing, that its downright institutional and that even female doctors are grossly guilty of it.

as a side note, I feel gross for saying female, even when its directly appropriate term to use, because of how incels have poisoned the word. blegh.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

It works for trans men too. If I go to the Urgent Care, I will get better care if I can remain stealth.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 131 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What’s sad is how hard would it have been for just a single one of them to say “…but we should send you for an image just in case”

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The strange thing here is that in America there's a better chance they might have found it earlier--if only because they're gung-ho on testing because they can bill for it.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed, if she had insurance. And it didn't get denied by AI.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I hate this place

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

My wife had a lump in her breast at... I think 27. They sent her to imaging and took a biopsy, realized it was benign, removed it anyways because it was hurting. The parking tickets were our only cost. This should be the norm.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That absolutely should be the norm. There's no good reason things can't be this way in modern civilization.

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[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In America, you're more likely to get the test ordered (for a myriad of reasons, billing is one, but also malpractice) but also to have it be denied by insurance.

In a country like Canada, the challenge would be getting the test ordered but once you do, the only question is when it can be done.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago

This is very accurate. Highlights the cons of each system. The grass isn't always greener.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any time my wife has been given the run around by doctors, I usually ask for her to schedule another appointment so I can be there, and I demand the doctors put notes, make something on the record that they SPECIFICALLY ARE DENYING TESTING and the reason behind it before I will leave.

So far it's worked every time to get them to just do the goddamn test, take the fucking scan, or do some simple blood work.

Doctors like that are more afraid of malpractice suits than they are of killing a patient over negligence.

The first time it happened was because she had cholecystitis and the doctor was insisting she was too young to have any issues with it, but I was older and had already had my gallbladder removed over it several years before. So I knew the signs, I knew the feeling, and I had doctors from the same hospital ignore my symptoms. Once the demand for notes to be recorded, suddenly everyone is all for doing a simple scan and what do you know, her gallbladder is filled with sludge and stones, neither of which should be there, and it's swelling. A week later it was out, but they wanted to wait 6 months "to wait and see if you're still having discomfort"

To anyone who has never had gallstones, it's like someone is taking a glowing hot knife and stabbing you from just above the stomach toward your spine. It's "discomfort" the way giving birth is "mild pain"

Demand tests and demand records of test denials. Fear of lawsuits and losing licenses goes a lot further than "you're a doctor who is supposed to help people get better" to some.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That can be effective in the US but would generally not work in Canada where malpractice suits are uncommon.

In Canada you may have better luck pursuing a complaint to the province's licensing authority.

As a healthcare provider (HCP) I would generally try to dissuade patients from exaggerating or overstating. Most doctors and nurses have dealt with enough people that we have a good sense of when someone is exaggerating or even outright lying. Usually it is counterproductive and decreases the chance that your concern or complaint will be addressed appropriately.

I would advocate for centering the conversation on how symptoms have changed / affected your quality of life. A good HCP would make this part of the coversation but I know that not all of my colleagues do so, especially in light of corporate or governmental pressure to see as many patients in as fast as possible.

I feel/have _____ when I do _____ and I'm worried that it will continue, impairing my ability to _____ is a general approach.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who heard several accounts from people with endometriosis, I get the feeling that a lot of healthcare professionals are severely overestimating their own ability to "have a good sense when someone is exagerating". The stories these women tell are absolutely infuriating, and the diagnosis rate vs prevalence of the disease just as much. Clearly many doctors are simply dismissing complaints about period pain out of hand.

IDK, I know nothing about healthcare but shouldn't complaints about pain be objectivized a little bit? Like can't you just slap me in the face and ask which hurts more? Because I feel like doctors would often be surprised by the kind of pain some chronically ill people put up with without showing any external signs.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago

As someone who heard several accounts from people with endometriosis, I get the feeling that a lot of healthcare professionals are severely overestimating their own ability to "have a good sense when someone is exagerating".

I've had a gynecologist tell his resident that it's a good idea to train the patients on how to answer questions. It never crossed his mind to listen to women first.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago

As a healthcare worker with autoimmune disease and chronic pain, I hear where you're coming from. The job would be a lot of easier if pain could be measured objectively. Everyone has a different tolerance for pain and chronic pain makes it all the more unpredictable.

The average time to diagnosis for endometriosis is 4 to 8 years. It's a notoriously difficult diagnosis that often cant be made definitively without some form of invasive testing (which is taught in medical school). But, regardless of vocation, education cannot completely correct bias and there is lot of room for improvement in healthcare when it comes to women's health.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago

An Ontario doctor killed my mother by refusing to refer her to a specialist until the pain swallowing became so great she was starving to death. It was esophageal cancer and despite a traumatic surgery, she could not be saved.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

The arrogance of some doctors can be scary. I used to be a clinical genetic counselor, a job specifically designed to focus on working with doctors as a genetics specialist so that they don't need to know all the intricacies of that on top of everything else. Most doctors I worked with hated me, and saw me as a distraction from work they could handle on their own.

One time a doctor went over my head to order a genetic test for a patient who had a very strong family history of breast cancer. He didn't refer her for a genetic counseling session, which was the protocol so that we could explain to her her own risk and the potential positive result, and give her the option to make an informed choice about whether or not she wanted testing at all. He just offered her the test out of the blue and, not really knowing what it meant, she just accepted by default. Not only did she test positive for a BRCA1 mutation, increasing her lifetime risk of developing breast cancer to over 90%, but the doctor incorrectly interpreted the results of the test, and believed she tested positive for breast cancer itself.

I only learned about the patient because the doctor mentioned her nonchalantly during a review meeting, and I had to correct him about the results of the test and convince him to refer her to me. I think the only reason he agreed was because he was put on the spot in front of the whole oncology department. I was lucky that the doctor hadn't yet incorrectly reported to the patient that she had breast cancer, but I still had to inform this woman, who barely understood why she was here, that she'll likely want to start scheduling yearly mammograms right now, or even consider a mastectomy, while she was still in college. That was the most difficult day of my short time in the field, and a big reason for why I ultimately left.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know what they call the worst doctor in the class right? Doctor.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From the few people in my vicinity that went to med school (not US), not a lot of emphasis is put on the human side of medecine.

If the worst doctor in the class is good enough to get a license and has great bedside manners, I'd rather have him than a better doctor with a terrible attitude

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

In the US, another aspect is that the entire medical school system is set up to make it extremely difficult for people who are not already from wealthy families to become doctors.

The US underfunds residencies (due to lobbying by doctors who want to keep their wages high through scarcity). Because residencies are required to become doctors, this limits the number of people who can be let into medical school. Because the numbers are artificially (and harmfully - doctor shortages are ridiculous in rural areas) kept low, admissions also are kept low.

This creates an ultra competitive process where it’s about maintaining as close to a 4.0 GPA as possible while stacking up volunteer hours. (Eg - your best chances are when you don’t have to work, other than some dalliances with scribing.)

I really wanted to be a doctor at one point, but I realized that I would never be a competitive candidate against someone who wasn’t working and had parents paying for tutoring.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am confused. Outside of not following the rules and reading the test results incorrectly, it sounds as if him giving her the test was a positive thing? Isn't it good that this was caught early? Sorry, maybe it's how I am reading it, but you sound upset that she even received this diagnosis. I also get that the end doesn't justify the means, but it sounds like catching this early can really help her life long-term.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh, no, the diagnosis isn't the bad thing, the process by which the patient received it is the bad thing. Genetic testing is a big decision, since it not only affects the patient's entire life, but also the lives of their family members. It's not something you want the patent to suddenly be informed of out of the blue without even fully understanding that they were being tested in the first place. This patient had no time to prepare for the possibility that she could have a high lifetime cancer risk, and didn't even know what that would mean until she already had the result.

This woman went from a normal college student with normal worries to someone who now has to worry about whether or not she wants to risk keeping her breast tissue to maybe one day breastfeed a baby, or simply feel like herself when she looks in the mirror. She has to think about whether she wants to have kids at all because they'd have a 50% chance of inheriting the same mutation. Every time she touches her own breasts for the rest of her life she's going to be scared that she feels a lump.

It's good that she got a diagnosis, but a lot of people choose not to, or at least choose to have it at a time when they're ready to focus on it, and this woman was denied that. She could have simply gotten more mammograms without testing right now, for example, because her family history put her in higher risk in its own. She wasn't even given a heads up that she might be thrust into this reality - the doctor was thinking about her physical well-being, but ignored her mental well-being. That's what the genetic counselors are supposed to be there for, but he ignored us, and the patent suffered for it. A woman walked into my office thinking everything was fine, and walked out with a world of worries on her shoulders.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

I can’t imagine having to tell a young person they were a carrier for Huntingtons. That sounds like a brutally difficult thing to do.

Anecdotally - I’ve heard that a lot of genetics classes won’t have students test themselves, not just because “surprise! you are extremely likely to die of cancer” but also “surprise! you were assigned female at birth but are XY” wasn’t appropriate in a class. Can you speak to that?

That “do you really want to know” question is a lot harder than people think - I did 23andme a few years ago and found out that my mother had been lying about my father for almost thirty years. I was apparently enough Native American the entire time, I could have qualified for college scholarships :(

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (9 children)

These people shouldn't be allowed to practice medicine.

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[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 11 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I would blame this less on doctors and more on insurance providers and hospital administrators that deny certain tests.

Testing for a cancer diagnosis is FAR more expensive when the result is positive.

She died because the healthcare system around her would like to avoid paying for the treatment of her.

[–] Polkira@lemmy.ca 16 points 19 hours ago

This is in Canada, insurance would not have been a roadblock.

[–] AscendantSquid@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Forgive my ignorance, but is that how things work over in Canada? I always heard this sort of thing in the US but I heard Canada does stuff differently?

[–] aturtlesdream@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Yes, we do things differently. Things are almost always covered by healthcare that are needed. We don't go bankrupt seeing the doctor usually like our southern neighbors might

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago

Youth lowers the odds, yes, but that’s statistics not people. You still do the full work up if there are concerns.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 23 hours ago

The wealthy controlling class in Canada have been destroying and hindering their un8versal Healthcare system in order to move in for profit nedical care. Canada has been letting them break their system and its costing lives and money.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a 22 year old friend who just got a double mastectomy because her biopsy came back positive.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn, that's terrible. I hope they recover ok, i can't imagine how traumatic their experience had been. Take good care of her ❤️

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The big trauma was the lead up to the biopsy where she couldn't get screened because she didn't have money for it, and Planned Parenthood wasn't willing to do the breast cancer screening for someone crossing state lines, and her home state had blocked all Planned Parenthood clinics because America is a conservative hellscape. She moved states, immediately got screened, was found to have breast cancer, got treated, and is honestly extremely relieved that the journey is over. Every so often she talks to my wife about a pic on instagram she found while she was boob shopping because she's trying to decide what size fake boobs she wants

Like. You're absolutely right it was terrifying and stressful, and in many ways continues to be, but the worst parts of the experience are over and she's starting the journey of the best parts at this point

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[–] console@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Too young? When in the history of ever have diseases discriminated based on age?

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Jesus fucking Christ

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I heard good things about healthcare in Canada. I come from a country that also has universal healthcare, but doctors are paid measly wages and results are what you pay for. 4-5 hours waits at emergency rooms, doctors and nurses refusing to do more than the bare minimum, or not event that, unless you give them a little "incentive", etc, etc. So actually good doctors go to practice in private clinics or other countries, where they're paid properly. I have lots of horror stories from the healthcare system in my native country.

But I thoght that Canada properly funds their healthcare system and this stuff wouldn't happen.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

But I thoght that Canada properly funds their healthcare system and this stuff wouldn't happen.

Buddy, Canada has the second worst healthcare system among high income countries, behind only the shitstain that is the US system.

The system is so underfunded that wait times are abysmal and doctors/nurses leave in droves to avoid dealing with consequences of underfunding.

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