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[–] NoMadLadNZ@lemmy.nz 7 points 17 hours ago

Yep, the right peddles sexy chest-beating wishful thinking and conspiracy theories which sells itself, the left has to sell the actual hard work that is needed - and yes frequently leans into chasing stupid celebrity endorsements and fluff and getting bogged down in the weeds or getting tripped up by well-meaning labels that get twisted used as battering rams against them like DEI, Woke, Socialist, etc.

Unfortunately we cannot win by being as bad as them, that is the burden of being on the righteous path of fairness, logic and reason.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The left are really good at becoming disorganized and eating itself though. And the right knows this. All the right has to do is making one comment that pits one minority against the other and boom : left will be out for another week sorting itself out before they reorganize again against the next thing the right does.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I understand you. Can you give an example of a conservative making a comment that pits one minority against the other that took the left out for a week?

[–] LogicalFallacy@lemm.ee 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

"Trans athletes should not compete in competitive sports."

"Palestine is a terrorist state."

"Israel is committing genocide."

These aren't really said by any one right wing taking head, in fact they work better if a "left wing" person says it; think Bill Mahr.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

I see him more of a self defined ‘centrist’ that is fully on the right but just disguises himself when it suits the argument he’s having

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It seems terribly dismissive to frame these as a result of right wing (or other) agitation. There are significant differences between people who want to throw trans people under the bus and those who don't, etc.

Sure, it must be nice for the right to be able to rally around whatever false talking points they gin up for the day. But when you have people who care about the truth, they will disagree sometimes.

[–] LogicalFallacy@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

The divisions aren't a result of right wing bigotry, but they are exploited by right wing propagandists.

What they actually do is frame all of these arguments without nuance. Then when corporate media goes with that framing you have reductivist talking points that bully out any reasonable debate.

This is a superpower that the GOP has and the DNC cannot replicate with the current level of public discourse.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Long term strategy, across decades, short term tactics. The right has actual goals, and uses culture nonsense to mask it. The Dems have cultural nonsense.

Show me the long term Democrat strategy and how they're going to accomplish it. I'd love to see it. I'd even help.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (7 children)

In addition to suggesting more dramatic work on delivering effective government that aides & protects people, I'd complained they need to engage the people where they at

Frankly, adapting a message isn’t enough. They need to beat Republicans at social media, have their own answer to right-wing influencers & podcasters like Joe Rogan, probably pump out their own viral bullshit, answer Republican troll farms with Democrat troll farms.

to be answered on here with

This is such a boomer take. This is like trying to claim Clinton lost in 2016 because she didn’t tweet enough or use the right young-person slang, skibidi

The Right loves to organize & build a long-term strategy to "own the libs", stack the courts, pass anti-abortion legislation at the state level. It seems the Left's answer to "own the libs" is to also "own the libs". "The libs" don't catch a break.

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[–] gencha@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I spend a lot of time wondering what "independent media" is supposed to be

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Independent Media is basically anything that's not owned by Disney/ABC, Viacom, NBC Universal, CBS, Newscorp (Fox), or Warner Bros.

In theory, on the internet, anybody can set up their own website and release their material.

But in terms of sheer scale, every online punk zine combined doesn't have half the reach of each of the 'independent' websites funded by some natural gas lobbying firm or ghoulish right wing family (other than the Murdochs) or supplement company sold exclusively through a pyramid scheme.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

And how independent were some of those media really when they were crying they couldn't exist without the USAID regime money?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

the important question is what to do about it.

back in the day workers used pirate radio and printed newspaper to spread the word. today tv is too expensive to run and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it.

there are barely any workers awake to even spread the word by mouth.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Bathroom graffiti.

Zines.

Pamphlets.

Buy some postage labels, write “Trump is a rapist,” “Defund ICE” and stick them up when no one is looking.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it

Is there any sign that they've tried? The Right churn out volumes of viral ragebait against the Left & spread it through troll farms & bots on social media while promoting themselves with right-wing podcasters. I don't think "the algorithm" cares about the political orientation of ragebait as long as it keeps users online.

Part of the problem is less "algorithm" and more self-sorting as people migrate to online communities they align with more & shut out dissent. Nearly everyone was on Facebook & Twitter before. Instead of migrating, we could stay put and deploy similar tactics as (or better than) the right to manipulate social media.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Use their tactics. Is it immoral to lie to an idiot to get them to vote in their own interests? They're already buying all kinds of bullshit like flat earth, anti vac, and trickle down economics; infiltrate their circles and cause confusion in the narrative. Break into their walled communities and drive division within their ranks.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

well... how? it seems to be much easier to divide leftists.

fascists seem to be so tight knit in their hate when i talk to them.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

The group everyone on the left are overlooking are the impoverished and struggling to get educated. The last minute trump grabbed the win by talking to them and convincing they’d be rich(which of course turned out to be a lie) but that is what got him the win. The Conservative Party leader in Canada was only coming out ahead for a while when he spoke about axing taxes and speaking to the impoverished/talking about bringing down house prices. He had no plan when it came time to show his notes but just talking about it was enough to throw gen z into a tizzy and just jump to the conservatives blindly.

Notice: they do this at the last minute to grab the wins.

Now that the race is done the loudest group are the MAGA which make up anywhere from 20-25% of the voters. Had it been maga vs conservatives the conservatives would have won in a landslide.

So don’t spend the time dividing incels from ultra religious from capitalists. Cuz you’re right. They will just stick together for each others main goal. It goes inherently against how the left operate.

Divide the impoverished from them. Focus on poverty. Focus on what is the worst thing about poverty and how you want to improve their life.

easier obtained education, health, work and housing.

Also mental health. Amp this up 10 fold. At least maybe those influenced by the incels have a chance to feel seen other than flocking to Joe rogan’s toxicity.

Address fentynal. Address mental health and addiction. And address it big time. Not just a nod. Make it a life goal. This is a hot topic in which everyone’s life especially in poverty have been affected by it. I can tell you first hand in free grief groups right now about 70-80% people have lost a loved one to fentynal. I wish I were kidding but this is a real sad reality in this moment. It is fucking scary how little it is talked about while how much a grip it has on society. And I dunno, maybe the ultra political dems at large don’t get caught up in this enough to notice it but it is kind of a big deal and a war zone on home soil right now. It really does need to be addressed by all parties way more than it is right now

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The last minute trump grabbed the win by talking to them

Thats because Trump has the entire media apparatus on his side. Yes, even the ones who say they are against him just amplify his voice. All of MSM is shit.

Leftists focus on the oppressed and addresses literally all the points you mentioned ad nauseam, but can't reach the public. By leftists I don't mean democrats, btw, they are part of the problem.

We need a solution to that.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

People only want to hear about their own problem. If you address all problems you repell everybody because nobody can stand listening to all of them, apart from an insignificant few voters.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

This is not a care quota. This is about real and actual change. and I didnt get through what I went through to have it minimalized nor dismissed by a troll online who hasn’t stepped outside in this real world to see what I have and isn’t here for discussion about real problems let alone advocate for real change.

Checked your profile.

User: Seeigel poopoos ‘card says moops’ on every post. Seeigel is not here to help anyone or engage on any actual discussions. On my blocklist. I don’t negotiate with online trolls.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Well how do you keep yourself from murdering and raping all you want without religion?"

"I do murder and rape all I want, for, you see, I do not want to murder or rape!"

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This one was always really funny to me. As if their supposed god himself hasn't explicitly commanded (and even committed) both of these sins on numerous occasions.

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[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 101 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is definitely part of it, most people don't spend their time scheming, trying to put others down, trying to make life worse for others.

I am a target of neighborhood Mobbing and it really took me a while, until i considered this a reality. I just couldn't wrap my head around this, that other people were making an effort to get on my nerves or were watching me and passively aggressively attacking me.

There really are people that want to interfere in the lives of other people minding their own business.

Meet the Republican mindset amongst ordinary people

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Sort of all wannabe HOA board members. Petty and racist control freaks.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same reason a tiger has eyes on the front of their skull, and the sheep has eyes on the sides. The predator must focus on their target. The prey must remain vigilant against all threats.

A scammer needs to find one way to trick you. A victim must avoid all scams.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We do have measures against predators though. They are allergic to lead.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I like to think I have boundless empathy but for the life of me I can’t put myself in this mindset.

Like I just want to be nice to all the people I interact with and possibly leave the world a little better because I was here.

I can’t fathom being against something that has no bearing on me. It’s like a more twisted version of how people were commenting on GTA trailer about how the game sucks rah rah rah, like bro just go and enjoy the things you do like and pass by the things you don’t.

I don’t like anime, but I also don’t give a shit if you do like it as I probably have hobbies you don’t like.

Someone help me understand why so many people are like this? I believe I was born with these morals as I’ve had the same upbringing as my siblings, although I saw a lot more fucked up family shit. Yet I’m quite liberal and accepting and my brothers are not really that way. They ain’t conservatives but they certainly get caught up in the noise of hating the wrong people.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Can't be explained easily. It's a bunch of variables triggered at opportune moments setting in place a mish-mash of values that somehow manage to work.

Take a day in your life. Think about what was good and bad in it. Then think what it would've been like had the good things failed and the bad things succeeded instead. Would that change your perspective on how the day went? As day after day pass, these small, usually things cement themselves into a view on life. Who learns what changes from person to person because what, when and how we learn creates differences in values and personality.

An example, you and your brother argue over a toy as children. If the argument escalates and you hit each other, the winner and the loser of the fight will have different perspectives on the situation. Same if a parent or an adult interferes and casts judgement unilaterally. Each person involved will learn something different from the others and this will shape in which direction their overall personality will view the world.

The good and the bad change depending on the position each person is in and each situation can evolve in many uncontrollable ways.

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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is basically how I see the democratic party. The "real base" is college educated people who care about things being good, but are intelligent enough to see beyond first order effects. These are the sorts of people who read think pieces in The Atlantic, and who also have a subscription to The Economist because they feel it is important to see many sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, these people make up a rather small minority of the voting population.

The remainder of the Democratic party's voters are made up of diverse interest groups which are voting for their own narrow self interest - various racial minorities, sexual minorities, women, union members, etc.

The challenge of the Democratic party is convincing an ornery old black man who regularly uses homophobic slurs to complain about his nephew and a 33 year old white woman who jogs during her lunch break when working to save the dolphins that they are on the same side.

Meanwhile, the "real base" of the Republican party is made up of a not very diverse group of "real Americans" who are also voting (as they see it) for their own self interest. But there's not really nobel intellectual class in the Republican party - there are the elites, who cynically use the plebs to enact their chosen policies, and there are the plebs who cheer for their elites even when they are told exactly how they are getting screwed.

Democrats have fretted for years about how they could gain the success the Republicans have at getting their message out and mobilizing their base, and the reality is that they just can't. Democrats are, quite simply, not dumb enough to fall for that bullshit.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Based Hank. Great content creator.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does the right use independent media?
Or do their billionaire pals that have exploited humanity for decades just own the mainstream media... so they don't have to bother with independent media: cause they have dozens of not hundreds of full time staff figuring out how to increase viewership.

It's not really a question.
It's just how it is

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, and it's very popular, at least with younger people. Asmongold, Rogan, Shapiro, Fresh and Fit, Charlie Kirk, etc. They're usually further right than mainstream too. The algorithms boost them, they typically sell snake oil/crypto, and are suspiciously well-funded (last year, many were found to be taking Russian money).

[–] Lyrl@lemm.ee 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

The Koch foundation made a long-term investment in making it seem like grass roots movements were pushing society to the right. They kept it up for over twenty years, and that persistence has paid off for them in ways that will likely take a similar amount of time to reverse https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/

The difference in the size of left- and right-leaning media isn't in news or comedy sites. The right-leaning news and comedy media is only modestly more watched than left-leaning media. Where the right really dominates is sliding politics into every single popular subject - topics like sports, games, wellness, and religion have tons of audience for right-leaning shows and basically no audience for left-leaning ones. https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think I agree?

Like, the right sucked at independent media. They couldn't hang whatsoever on Twitter or Reddit. They need to use billionaires to capture and co-opt these platforms to compete.

And like all the "conservative" social media? Its all 100% AstroTurf (rumble, etc.)

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't capture TikTok like that, yet at least in Europe they dominate that platform.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I wonder why the TikTok owners would push the divisive conservative rage bait to the top of their feeds in Europe.

The goals of China, much like Russia, are to sew divisions amongst their strongest rivals on the world stage. So, the conservative garbage gets a big boost on the platforms algorithms.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's only the same if most people buy snake oil.

The problem is that most people buy snake oil unless they have reveived a good education.

Makes you wonder why the left is not improving education, even outside the school framework.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The left does enhance education where possible. It's just a massive up hill battle when public education is reduced and underfunded every time a conservative gains power, and isn't enhanced much at all when a liberal gains power...

Please, explain how a minority is supposed to win against a hostile majority?

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago

There is no general answer because by default, the majority wins.

For education, I would focus on a small number of communities and pool all resources to figure out what works.

Then use the desire of other communities for the hopefully existing improvements to spread the system.

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