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[–] ech@lemm.ee 64 points 3 days ago (7 children)

inb4 the bullshit, bad faith "sO mUCh foR THe toLeRanT LefT!!1!"

Tolerance is a social contract. You break the contract, you don't get the tolerance.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago

It's a dumb line anyway. There's no obligation for us to tolerate their antisocial behavior in the first place. All that line does is betray that the fascist treats liberalist ideals as a game or a weakness, only a fool would humor their insincere appeals to liberalism.

Jean-Paul Sartre, Réflexions sur la question juive (1946)

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I will tolerate anyone but the intolerant

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I just switched my electrical contractor that does work at my job like every other day. Dude was making a grand a week easily just on the jobs I was giving him. Then he drives in one day with the maple maga bumper stickers and the anti science bullshit. Haven’t called him back in over 5 weeks, there are plenty of contractors out there and they’re not all nuts

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 83 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Not just in colleges, but everywhere. I own a business, and I wouldn't hire someone who is openly MAGA. Clearly they are ignorant, make poor choices, and are easy to manipulate, and I don't want them to be responsible for any aspect of my business.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 27 points 3 days ago

Or, less generously, they enjoy the cruelty and hate.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA.

I work in the O&G industry. Quite a few of the rank and file office folks are vanilla liberals. The senior execs are all Christian MAGA.

Silicon Valley has the same problem. The professional working class is liberal, while the senior sex pest corporate ice chewers are all in the same insane Scientology cults and Mormon tabernacle choirs and Longtermist Transhuman Collectives.

I've seen the same dynamic in health care, professional sports, Big Law, finance, heavy industry...

Great that you managed to break into the club as a Normal. But I don't see a future where I'm sitting on the board of a Fortune 500 corporation. A notable reason why is that I'm not working my way up the chain at Opus Dei.

[–] Flickerby@lemm.ee 163 points 4 days ago (7 children)

It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don't regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn't as good of a judge of character as I thought.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 76 points 4 days ago (1 children)

COVID broke people's brains too. don't know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 56 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

People got stuck at home and were in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that

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Im 50 and Im not straight. A lot of the guys my-age didn't grow and become accepting of people they just learned to shut the fuck up about their opinion in public in the early 1990s. Those guys didn't raise their kids to be any different they were just quiet about it.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

If you think back before that, weren't those the most self-centered and selfish ones?

I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than "facing it like a man" he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.

I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most "what's in it for me" types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people's actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn't act like that with friends.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.snekerpimp.space 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself

[–] Flickerby@lemm.ee 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you're a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Shame them in every part of life.

Let them know their beleifs will lead to us having to put them down like rabid dogs for our own safety.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A tweet about a single anonymous post on an obscure forum with no info about the type of response it received.

This is nothing.

If I went to Harvard, and created an account, and then went and made an anonymous post saying cats are horrible and everyone should stop keeping them as pets; do you think that's an indicator that people are turning against cats? Do you think my single, anonymous post would be worth making a tweet over? Do you think that holds ANY relation to other people's options or the actions they will take?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

The dirty truth is that the Real Social Consequences of supporting fascism have, historically, been the full throated support of US business, media, and military.

Germany was the exception, not the rule. Spain, Chile, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Israel, Apartheid South Africa, Bolsanaro's Brazil, Modi's India, Trump's America... That's the rule.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Sorry, but there's something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn't people 'not playing nice' with fascists, it's protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.

Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.snekerpimp.space 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They don’t see it as fascism. They just see that their “team” is “winning”, and the “other” people are losing. That’s all life is to them, winning over everyone else, even when it goes against self preservation.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.

Yes, it should be that way everywhere. In plenty of societies, it already is.

An international friend of mine in the UK was let off lightly by a judge for punching a Nazi, because the victim was a Nazi. Obviously judges can be a game of luck so I'm not claiming this is a low-risk action, but law isn't set in stone.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

it's like returning the shopping cart: you don't have to punch nazis, but if you don't do it you're a bit of a dick

[–] Clasm@ttrpg.network 14 points 4 days ago

Considered a public service, ideally.

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 70 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Fuck yeah, has been (mostly) my approach and suggestion since 2016, don't be friendly with fascists. Now, the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they're basically decent but brainwashed. After 2024 though, doesn't matter, there's no way you don't know who he really is at that point, and if you supported him you should be shunned.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

Nah, way earlier than 2024. In fact ever since the "grab them by the pussy" tape was released before the election in 2016, these miserable bastards knew what he was about and still chose to support him. No decency to be found among them from that point on.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago

I've boycotted Republicans/Conservatives since at least 2000, when they decided that it was perfectly acceptable to steal the presidency.

Once they fully adopted the "ends justify the means" approach, I considered Conservatism to be a character flaw. I wouldn't be friends with people who physically abuse their spouses or their children, and by the same logic, I won't be friends with people who abuse our society, our government, or our citizens.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Ok, but look at Harvard's alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Is the problem Harvard, or that rich and powerful people send their kids to the most prestigious schools in the world?

Yes yes harvard sniffs its own farts and is pretentious yada yada but the fact is if you graduate harvard, your life is way fucking easier because of the respect it commands and the hands you shake while you're there. Plain and simple.

What I will find interesting in 20-30 years is if this rejection of "liberal indoctrination" will lead to more conservatives not sending their kids to the most prestigious schools that don't capitulate to their culture war. Conservative universities of any quality debatably exist as it is, they're hardly investing in them currently either. So Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. still hold the keys to the US's upper echelon.

TL;DR: rich and powerful people will send their kids to the schools that allow their kids to more easily be rich and powerful. For all their talk of how college is a scam and dominated by liberals, they still keep sending their kids there.

[–] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

We have moved a bit past 'affiliating with' and are well into 'being' when it comes to the fascism thing.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Seeing as everyone is in their own social media echo chamber now and are separate offline it won't really matter.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Just as a slice of it, going to r/conservative is so eye opening. They ignore or ban any news that would directly conflict with conservative beliefs as they once were so they don't have to confront any of it, celebrate anything that makes the left look bad, and openly gargle Trump cum in every post as a badge of honor. It's a truly disgusting little place.

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