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[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

So, I’m no theologian, but I did grow up studying this stuff quite a bit. Here’s a probably-flawed explanation of my understanding of the teaching.

God created the world, and the creation fell short of his image for it. That’s what “sin” is, a falling-short-of-perfection. God’s perfect nature requires perfection for communion with his creation, so in an attempt to bring humanity back into communion with him, Jesus (who is both God and human) comes to live among the creation, lives a perfect life, and is killed. The teaching is that death is a result of imperfection, so the death of someone with human nature who was perfect wipes out the “cost” of sin.

So humans are again able to be connected with their Creator, despite the fact that none of them are perfect.

Christians are encouraged to follow the laws of scripture not because failure to do so will damn them, but because said laws can be good for them. The Bible outright says humans cannot get to heaven through their actions. So when Christians get all high and mighty about sin, they’re missing the point entirely. (Or, perhaps, they’re following what they’ve been taught by people who use religion to control people.)

It frustrates me to see Christians championing anti-LGBT causes and whatnot. Like, I don’t care if you think it’s sinful, the entire point of the religion is that everyone is sinful. The Bible is clear on this. Jesus came for sinners. After all, if people were perfect they wouldn’t need a savior in this system.

Someone can probably do a better, more theologically consistent job explaining this, but that’s my understanding.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The thing that really pisses me off is seeing Christians who hate Jews with the reasoning that the Jews were the ones who shouted for Jesus to be crucified when Pilot didn't know what to do about it.

If they didn't, your story would be broken as fuck and your sins would never be absolved. You wanted Jesus to be killed or the whole point of his existence is meaningless!

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

All cool but the dude's name was Pontius Pilate (Poncio Pilato)

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Because according to the Christian faith, the death on the cross is the moment of victory. The divide-by-zero that absolves sin.

clever romans cut that gordian knot: "he's the son of god? and god? ok yeah sure buddy, Romulus, grab the nails."

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jesus was born in September and christmas trees are giant dicks. Yes you read that right. They're penises. Festively festooned penises. Blame the catholics. They steamrolled every pagan tradition they could find into the catholic canon in order to convert the peasants to their particular cult.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago

Okay so what makes pine trees dicks? I knew about Jesus being in the wrong month and about taking over the pegan winter festival, but nothing about dicks.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As a bored kid in church, this is a question I pondered many times. Why would we choose to honor the method of torture that caused his death?

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (9 children)

it's to honor the sacrifice he made to abscond humanity of their sins.

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[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I always think of Jesus in the electric chair and followers wearing little "electric chairs" on a necklace

[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Y'ever think about how if Jesus died by a guillotine there'd be guillotines everywhere

[–] ApatheticCactus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You think if he was shot the gun manufacturer would use that in their advertising?

I like crucifixes, i study their design and craftsmanship while the Karen wearing it is berating me at work and threatening to call my manager.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Many Christian, but non Catholic denominations definitely do not use, or phased out the usage, of crosses ( also fish symbols/religious stamps/rosaries and so on) as they understand this fact

Also they understand that Matthew 16:24 is referring to a Stavros/stauros, literally a wooden torture stake/pole, in allegory to taking a heavy responsibility, in general, as previous context shows that spreading the lord's message, with the difficulties it may bring, to extract a heavy toll on the average person's life, up to the point of having to sacrifice said life

They also understand that even thought the old law have been abolished, the spirit of it keeps on on many of their aspects, so no worshipping idols of any kind (imaginary or physical) is seen as the practical approach

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sam Kinison had a routine where he was pretending to be Jesus explaining why he hadn't returned yet: "yeah, I'll be back as soon as I can PLAY THE PIANO AGAIN! OH OHHHHHHHH!"

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The government just declassified documents that describe the first time humans made contact with an alien race. We found out that not only do the aliens know about Jesus, he revisits them every year for a big celebration. "Every year?” the humans asked, "We've been waiting for him to come back for over 2000 years! How did you get him to return?"

"I don't know, we're just friends. The first time he visited, we gave him a big bag of our finest chocolates. What did you guys do?"

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

“You think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see another fucking cross? Thats probably why he hasn’t come back yet. ‘Nope, they’re still wearing crosses.’ That’s like walking up to Jacky Onassis wearing a rifle on your lapel. ‘Just thinking about John, Jacky.’” finger guns

  • Bill Hicks
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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (11 children)

the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus sacrificed himself to absolve humanity of the original sin. The cross represents the sacrifice.

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but all that comes from Paul not Jesus himself.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And yet having sacrificed himself, he's now back hanging out with his Dad in heaven and having a great time. That's not a "sacrifice", it's more like a bad time at summer camp.

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[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Except earlier it said to have no idols. The cross is an idol. You can appreciate a sacrifice without using the tool that caused such sacrifice as a form of worship. If your father jumped in front of you and died to a gun shot, he sacrificed his life to save you and you would be appreciative. Would you then wear a gun necklace around your neck to show you love your dad and the sacrifice he made for you? By sanctifying his murder weapon?

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ironically, the cross is a symbol of unjust suffering. Something which the more prominent wearers like to inflict on others.

[–] EndRedStateSubsidies@leminal.space 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Everything about Christianity is basically backwards from what Jesus actually fucking said.

No idolatry is the first commandment for a reason. People that worship the idol of the cross have already failed to learn what the religion was to teach.

Basically, look at Republicans. They absolutely worship the flag yet at the same time defile everything the country supposedly stands for.

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The American Christian message: Act like Jesus and we will crucify you too.

[–] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I can’t speak for everyone, but when I wear a cross it’s in reference to Matthew 16:24

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?”

To me the cross is symbolic of finding the courage to live our lives motivated by a radical love in order to overcome the fear of death and pain.

It’s like Goku once said while fighting to save the world “this is the power to go further beyond”

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I feel though like wearing a token cross in honor of being told to take up a more literal cross seems like paying lip service to a very serious call to action with very low actual stakes.

Like being told to stand up to the guns of an army to stand firm for justice and then wearing little rifle pendants instead claiming that means you look to live your life consistent with that principle even as you stay well away from actual fighting.

You may personally of course live your life consistent with the values and that is just a symbol, but it's broadly a symbol that has been cheapened by casual overuse, and to some extent corrupted by folks using it as a symbol of their alignment to God and implied divine authority granted by that association.

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