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[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I 2nd this. If you stop me or my wife the first thing I need to see if a badge, id, and warrant. Not one or the other. 2out of three at least.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

This is exactly where the 2nd amendment and the Blue Lives Matter movements collide. If both civilians and police have the legal right to arm and defend themselves with lethal force, and neither has a responsibility to show restraint or demonstrate cause, then you have created a situation where an innocent civilian and a good cop could kill each other in self defense and neither would have done anything wrong.

Edit: I'm not going to respond to each comment saying there are no good cops. My point is that the cop does not have to be a bad cop for the civilian to have reasonable fear for their life, nor does the civilian need to be a criminal for the cop to have a reasonable fear for their life. Both are legally justified in killing the other person, and both are legally entitled to own a weapon capable of killing the other. That's not a society, that's a war. Ir we didn't already have a police force, and you described their function in their current state to a peaceful society, they would think you were mad.

[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It always blows my mind when I see Back the Blue flags next to Gadsden flags. Who do they think is doing the treading?!

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It makes sense if you remember that conservativism doesn't actually exist, and all people claiming to be conservatives are just narcissists who pick and choose what they care about in any given situation.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Eh. Conservatism does exist but, it's never been what it's claimed to be. It's all about establishing and enforcing hierarchical power structures in society by any means necessary. Almost universally, the adherents desire to have power over others, so, even if they're not at the top, they get to be cruel towards their "lessers" and that makes them feel better about themselves. Through the lens of their philosophy, things like hypocrisy are privileges of those higher in the hierarchy with which to taunt their "lessers".

Additionally, they do not believe in objective reality but, subjective reality that bends to their will (when it doesn't, they deny the delta and pretend that it does). This applies to morality as well; moral correctness is relative to one's place in the hierarchy, not their actions (ie supporting a convicted felon, rapist and pedophile is ok because he's rich and supports hierarchy).

The reason, I think, that the belief system has been able to stick around so long (beyond the propaganda) is that its followers do gain some mental health benefits. They are able to reduce their cognitive load through deference to their rulers and reduce potential for anxiety and depression by avoiding self-reflection and embracing the Just World Fallacy.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're describing shared narcissism.

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[–] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Conservatism does sort of exist, but it's all about conserving the social, economic, and power structures of the present. Honestly most so-called conservatives are actually reactionaries - they want to bring back the social, economic, and power structures of the recent past, i.e. reverse the past couple of decades of development. Mostly, of course, because they believe they were better off back then.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Who do they think is doing the treading?!

Woke leftists. Duh.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the problem arises when you project a view of treating people equally onto someone who does not have such a view.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

The Gadsden flag expresses support for the freedom of the in-group and the Back the Blue flag expresses support for the oppression of the out-group.

[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

You nailed it. Well put!

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

A good cop won't create a situation where an innocent civilian will feel the need to use lethal force.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago

Too bad there is no such thing as a good cop

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

A cop doesn't need to be a bad cop to create a situation where the civilian has a reasonable fear for their life. I'm a believer that ACAB, but even if I'm wrong, it's still an untenable situation.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm not disagreeing with you. My point was that neither person needs to be a criminal to create a situation where both have a legal justification for deadly force in self defense. Like how fucked up is that?

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 18 points 1 month ago

a good cop

Well now you just blew the argument by making an impossible scenario =^)

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder how many people who support both movements would consider themselves “pro-life.”

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Do people actually believe this stuff? There have been many tv shows for decades where they literally follow police around with a camera. And anyone who tries this “give me your badge number, you need a warrant, you don’t have probable cause” gets arrested. They don’t even make a secret about it.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think it bears mentioning that the “deranged maniac” title isn’t the whole story. I don’t know about this guy in particular, but a lot of these guys are all part of far-right online cliques that share propaganda amongst each other while valorizing the guys who do this shit.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I wouldnt be surprised if right wing websites are celebrating this guy as a hero and an example to follow

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[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 14 points 1 month ago

...that's pretty much ICE's recruitment demographic...

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MAGA Nut Kills political opponents.

End story.

Civil War is in the beginning stages between L.A. and this.

Sure, it started on inauguration day... but, now it's truly ramping up.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Civil war my ass. The actual civil war had a clear geographic and economic divide between a manufacturing, wage-labor north and an agrarian, slave-owning south.

The fuck kind of divide is this supposed to be over today? Left/right culture war? Most people are still completely checked out. Yankees are very very comfortable (precarious comfort, but still comfortable) and lead 99.99% identical lives to one another. There is not going to be a civil war.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Calling it Left vs Right culture is kinda over simplifying it but kinda. The problem is that a lot of regions have shifted in their beliefs and even further separated since the civil war, just cause I and a Utah Mormon live vaguely similar day to day lives doesn't mean we are culturally compatible.

This is closer to the Yugoslav troubles before its initial break down in the 90s, a bunch of cultures who while broadly similar on a surface level have friction with one another regardless due to deeper issues. It just happens to be manifesting on a political level since most Americans will happily suppress their own regional identity in favor of the American imperial Identity.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Was he really a deranged maniac, though, or was that just part of him pretending to be a cop..?

[–] bluesheep@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

If you like to play cop you're a deranged maniac anyway, so tomato tomato

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Man some people take method acting way too far.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What part of being a cop, or wanting to be a cop, disqualifies someone from being a deranged maniac?

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

I don't think you read their comment correctly.

They are saying that being a deranged maniac is part of their pretending to be a cop, not that it disqualifies them from being a cop.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 month ago

None. Rather, it's practically a requirement. Hence my question.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

i'm just being a deranged maniac as a hobby. i don't get paid for it like the popo

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

not surprised a right wing evangelical pastors, that did this, he had a hit list targeting other democrats, and abortion providers.

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You got a source?

I can't find anything online about the killer being caught or even being identified. It may even be a real cop.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Police Officer means Terrorist? What a country!”

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