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You had to be deep in denial already or just a bit ignorant if you trusted autopilot to begin with.
I trust it, but only because I'm suicidal. /s
Given Musk's track record, I would not trust a Tesla suicide booth.
Given his track record, it would do nothing to you, but randomly kill an African child or endangered wildlife instead.
I posted this in the past and it continues to be true. Autopilot is getting worse overtime. Tesla is feeding autopilot driving data into its system to learn to drive better. The problem is, it's learning its worst habits. Phantom breaking, hesitation in turns, unable to keep a steady speed. Every update I try it and rarely last more than a couple miles. It's not that I want to use it, I just want to see if it's getting better or worse.
The wild thing is, turning off autopilot and using lane keep and cruise is fine. They warn you that lane keep is old autopilot so it's not as reliable, trying to urge you into using full autopilot so they can harvest more data. But that "old" autopilot was built before all the updates that made the full autopilot system unusable to me
If you're wondering, I'd like to not be driving a Tesla. But it's paid off, worth basically nothing in resale, and I got it as a CPO with free charging and autopilot for life. It costs Tesla money to keep it.
I'm increasingly convinced that while AI in general had a big leap forward a few years ago, since then there's some mass hysteria type effect where everyone seems convinced that it's been getting steadily better at the same rate - when I've not been able to see any of that.
I keep reading all these benchmarks that are supposedly destroyed every three months, but they never seem to turn into any noticeable improvements when I use the damn things. It's now at the stage where if someone tries to tell me otherwise I just assume they're either a bot themselves, or falling for some kind of hysteria/confirmation bias type effect.
So, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if autopilot literally was getting worse as they try forcing more data into it and getting nothing but overfit. It was already as good as it was going to be based on its fundamentals, which is to say, not good enough.
Same experience with autopilot. How are you able to use the limited autopilot?! My single downclick on the right stick on my Model 3 takes me straight to full auto and the limited lane keeping and passing is greyed out for a year now.
I was excited to be part of the beta that was going to bring in a new era of safety with autopilot driving back when it was finally released. I stopped using it a couple years ago with the increasingly poor changes and more and more limits to options. With other manufacturers making superior autopilots and safer cars it seems pointless now.
Side note: I have always found it frustrating hearing the autopilot haters especially at the beginning (now with the bad updates I have to agree with them). They bought it expecting a fulling function system that would flawlessly get them from point A to B like Musk promised. It was a beta release for the first mass autopilot service. What were you expecting?? All these people crashing for the most part were letting the car drive. You had to treat it like a 10 year old kid was at the wheel and be EXTRA attentive to everything because you not only had to watch out for outside dangers but your car possibly wanting to take on oncoming traffic. The second autopilot chose to turn sharper or start to do anything I wouldn’t do I took over. The audio feedback they had added was a great idea too. Hearing why I took over is important to know where the defect in the system is. I’m sure they have text to speech then AI scan the data to look for enough common responses so they can focus on the bigger issues.
Elon really ruined such a great thing by going drug addled insane. My plate holders say “SORRY! Bought it before he went crazy”. I feel bad for all the engineers stuck working there who signed on excited to bring in the new era of driving. There’s still good people there which is why I’m not a huge Tesla hater necessarily but absolutely a Musk hater. I wouldn’t buy another Tesla, and the fall from innovations and safety offsets this but the one thing they did that I’m glad for is they forced other manufacturers to take EVs seriously as a mainstream option. They finally decided to dump money on the ”risky world of unknowns” that would open them up to possibly countless recalls and class action lawsuits for anything they took a chance on and got wrong. They’ve been scrambling to catch up ever since.
I dumped my Tesla stock a long time ago and suggest anyone still holding on to do the same. I feel with the more unhinged Elon becomes the more likely it is the board will replace him and his tie to brand identity will tank the stock the second it’s announced. They know this which is why they continue to hold on. Profits over everything, including safety as always.
If you're wondering, I'd like to not be driving a Tesla. But it's paid off, worth basically nothing in resale, and I got it as a CPO with free charging and autopilot for life. It costs Tesla money to keep it.
SAME! I'm doing my part to cost them money. But mine is a 2014 so only AP1 hardware. I love my autopilot. Just lane assist and TACC. I've used other lane assists and have hated all of them.
If you're wondering, I'd like to not be driving a Tesla. But it's paid off, worth basically nothing in resale, and I got it as a CPO with free charging and autopilot for life. It costs Tesla money to keep it.
Honestly just put a bunch of anti-Elon bumper stickers on your car and keep it until the battery shits the bed, it will be worth more as scrap metal. It's costing you nothing and actively costing Tesla something.
I get the stigma of having a Tesla, but some people did in fact buy it before Elon's fascist tendencies were widely known. Its the people who buy one now after knowing how much more of a piece of shit he is that piss me off (like one of my neighbors who got a Tesla recently).
If you have a Cybertruck though, fuck you, I hope your $100k+ death trap bursts into flames after a slight pothole taking you with it. Your car is actively making the roads less safe and you knew who you were buying it from.
Very true, I wasted no time putting some stickers on to show I dessent. The dumpster trucks are really the only ones you can be sure are driven by assholes.
Unless they decide to mitigate the cost you've become to them
Hey here's a crazy idea: How about you just keep both hands on the wheel and drive your fucking car. And if it's in the USA, well over 90% of the people on the road don't even have a third pedal to negotiate. Put your phone down, keep your eyes on the road and in the mirrors, and drive your fucking car.
Part of the problem with teslas is they will sometimes do the phantom braking even when not on autopilot. My gf has a model 3 we bought back before F-Elon went full mask off, and there's a certain road we occasionally drive where the car will just slam on the brakes for no reason wherever another road joins the main one. We both refuse to use autopilot but it still does it with even normal cruise control active and sometimes even under full manual control. Its a serious problem. We'd replace the stupid thing if we could afford it but its devalued so much that its more affordable to just keep it.
Yeah, Tesla's don't have ordinary cruise control. They have adaptive cruise control and autopilot, which is adaptive cruise control + lane keeping. Both just use the camera. If you're hoping to rest your foot during a cross country drive, then you better prepare for it to lurch every time it sees a shadow. Once every couple of miles if the road has enough shadows.
Yup, its a terrible design. Every other automaker uses some form of lidar with the cameras, but elon says "HuMaNs DrIvE wItH jUsT eYeS". So we get this bullshit.
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That's so scary. Sorry you have to deal with that. Stay safe.
Hey man I love a manual transmission as much as the next hipster...but I rented a Mustang EV last year and got to experience single-pedal mode and it's fucking glorious.
I've always been confused about the braking in single pedal vehicles. Like let off the gas and the brakes start, but what if you need to brake harder?
I don't know how the hell it works either.
I imagine since it's an electric vehicle, the motors either have electricity or they don't...so when they don't, if there's no clutch mechanism disengaging the wheel, it would probably "engine-brake" naturally. Engine-braking, as I understand it, is basically how regenerative braking works anyway.
Combine that with a CVT and it can make a pretty smooth deceleration.
Combine that with distance sensors in the front and it'll keep you from accidentally slamming into something.
I guess my problem is I don't trust sensors 100% of the time. If it engine brakes when I let off gas, great, but I want the option of braking myself to still exist.
Buy yourself a go-kart.
No, no, no, you see applying logic is just to radical. Instead just do what ever corps tell you and don't question it.
I borrowed a Model Y from a friend for a road trip and tried the Autopilot. That happened to me. So I pulled over, shut off Autopilot, and carried on with my trip. It was otherwise incident-free, partially because the friend had already had the car in the shop multiple times until most of the production defects were fixed. It still wasn't waterproof, though.
Rightfully so! The phantom breaking got even worse the last years and makes the Autopilot truly dangerous.
They signed up to be beta testers. They found bugs. Why would they sue Tesla?
This isn't an issue with the Full self driving that people signed up for the beta for. It happens with the cruise control too.