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Looking for help on how to begin playing WH40k (lemmy.ca)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by keldzh@lemmy.ca to c/warhammer40k@lemmy.world
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Hi everybody :)

I'm not entirely new to wargaming, but I've never played WH40k before. So I have many questions about the game and some tooling around it. I'll start with universal questions in case answers may help some new players too and then I have a couple of questions about the faction I'd like to play. Thank you for reading it and I hope answering some questions :)

  1. After a Combat Patrol "phase" what do I need to have to play a full Warhammer 40k game? Dices and measuring tape are obvious. But do I need to buy a codex? Do I need to buy a datasheet cards?
  2. How to unlock information about datasheets and detachment rules in WH40k official app?
  3. Are there any popular army builder apps or sites? Or we should stick to the official app?
  4. When I need to specify units for Dedicated Transports? Should it be specified on an army roster list or it could be decided before the game? If it is former, how can I select it in the official app army builder?
  5. The same question about attaching Characters to Bodyguard units?

Specific questions about Space Wolves:

  1. New Codex has new Combat Patrol, but I can find this new Combat Patrol as a box to buy neither on the official warhammer.com site, nor on Amazon nor at my local stores. Do I need to buy units separately to play it as a Combat Patrol or it'll come out some time later (when?) or it was already sold out and I missed it completely?
  2. Previous Combat Patrol has Battle Leader Thoryk in it. Can I pick him outside of Combat Patrol? If I can, than who is he: Lieutenant, Wolf Guard Battle Leader or someone else? I can find him neither in Legendary Proxies Table nor in Legends Field Manual.
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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

One Page Rules plus a 3D printer or paper cut-outs and friends who are up for such will save you so much headache/$$$$ over doing things the Games Workshop way.

Otoh, don't mind me. I own a couple official armies, but haven't played in around 20 years. I prefer the lore and avoid certain un-washed masses like the plague.

[–] keldzh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks. I hear about this ruleset a lot on the Internet. But for now I want to pick a game I can really play with someone and not just collect miniatures :'(

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

It really is easier to gather your own group with a smaller, more open-ended ruleset. As I mentioned, outside of GW tournaments, you can literally play with cardboard cutouts or paper tokens.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

1 - Datacards are great in theory. In practice they're instantly outdated and overpriced. The codices get outdated as they're patched too. Generally I use one of the online rule sources provided by third parties unless I'm planning to play at Warhammer World or something.

3 - Every iteration of the official app I've used has been trash.

[–] keldzh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Thanks :)

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
  1. How to unlock information about datasheets and detachment rules in WH40k official app?

There used to be a code in the paper codex that unlocked it.

  1. New Codex has new Combat Patrol, but I can find this new Combat Patrol as a box to buy neither on the official warhammer.com site, nor on Amazon nor at my local stores. Do I need to buy units separately to play it as a Combat Patrol or it'll come out some time later (when?) or it was already sold out and I missed it completely?

~~It is likely sold out for the time being. It is relatively new and supposedly popular. I do have one sitting on my shop's shelf (as well as two of the army boxes) collecting dust.~~

Update: Just got off the phone with my GW rep, the new Space Wolves combat patrol has not released yet.

[–] keldzh@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh, thank you very much. I'm glad that I haven't missed the new Space Wolves Combat Patrol :)

And on the code, cool, I wasn't sure will it be in the codex or in the datasheet cards. I guess than I don't need to buy at least cards :)

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

I stopped buying data sheet cards because more often than not they are outdated week 1. But I also gave not played 40k since 8th.

[–] be_gt@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Hi,

  1. newrecruit is a very good app or website to build armylists on. It lacks the strategems though, so may by stick with the official app.

4 & 5. It is decided when setting up the units so no need to mark in the roster.

  1. No, all data sheets in a release like a combat patrol can only be used within a single release. So can't combine Combat Patrol and the codex versions.
[–] keldzh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks :)

So can’t combine Combat Patrol and the codex versions.

Yeah, I understand that Combat Patrol datasheets are only for that ruleset. But what about the model itself? Like the old Combat Patrol I'm talking about has 10 miniatures of Intercessor squad. I understand that for full WH40k game I need to use the datasheet from the Space Marine Codex. But I'm trying to figure out for which datasheet I can use the Character model from the Combat Partol box. Or it will just be a shelf piece when I move on from Combat Partol games to 1000pts games?

[–] be_gt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh, that model you can use as what you feel like. At least in friendly games. As for tournaments as long as it is clearly marked and equipped as close as possible most of them would be fine with it.

[–] Magnus_the_colourblind@warhammer.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@keldzh I’d suggest first getting the Warhammer 40K Introductory Set to see if you actually enjoy the building and painting parts of the hobby. If you decide to go on, decide on whether you are interested in small (approximately 10 infantry models per side) or large (dozens of models, including tanks and monsters etc). If small-scale, get the Kill Team starter set. If large-scale, watch some faction introductions (e.g. Bricky), pick one, and get the combat patrol box for that faction.

[–] keldzh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thanks :) Based on my previous experience with Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Warmachine I'm more into large-scale, so Combat Patrol box it is :)

[–] Magnus_the_colourblind@warhammer.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@keldzh Sorry I didn’t realize you had written that page with background, so what I wrote was kind of useless.

[–] Magnus_the_colourblind@warhammer.social 1 points 2 days ago

@keldzh Anyway, something you might want to consider is getting/building/painting combat patrols for more than one faction one by one, before committing to a faction. If you got your favorite right by just reading, then OK, you got a nice way to introduce friends to the game, as you have opposing forces available. If it turns out your first pick was not your favorite after all, then it’s good you found out early.