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[–] C1pher@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Damn, U.K. is really getting destabilized fast. Law changes, immigration, censoring and now monitoring? Is this what happens when you leave EU and "lose" in the modern war?

[–] FairycorePhoebe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 161 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I don't understand how this is a controversial opinion, but maybe parents should actually parent their children instead of expecting the Internet or the government to decide what their kids should see for them? Maybe talk to your kid about safe and ethical sex, the dangers of porn addiction, and not to take anything away from pornographic content instead? Maybe we shouldn't be giving children smartphones and tablets with unfettered internet access in the first place instead of spending time with them? Wild concepts I know.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 126 points 2 days ago (3 children)

because these laws aren't about protecting children they're about elimination of access to things the government doesn't like... like queer spaces

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This, right here. It's like Nixon's "war on drugs" that went on, and on, and on... The goal was not drugs, per-se, but to use drugs as a pretense to police people of color.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And giving them sweeping ability to track everybody via their identity papers, to see what websites and services they're using, what all their online identities are, etc.

They claim the info isn't being saved or passed on to the government to form a big surveillance database to one day use against people - sure, it's legal to, say, be gay or a socialist or of a particular religion today, but societies and regimes change, and the info they collect on you today may become ammunition against you in 10, 20, 40 years time.

But I don't for a moment believe their obvious lies.

This is nothing but authoritarian police state monitoring and control. It's extremely obvious. Yet, who are we to vote for in the next election? Not Labour, thanks to this (and a few other big reasons perhaps), not the Tories because, well, you've seen what they're like.

It's not impossible for a third party to be elected of course, not as impossible as places like the USA that have a very worryingly solidified two party system, it's just very unlikely.

Knowing the British people and their seeming apathy and poor judgement at scale these days I wouldn't be surprised if they elect the racist bigots at Reform - who ironically would be even more authoritarian and evil than what we have now.

As usual, there's no hope for the future and no possibility of good outcomes.

Humanity is doomed to repeat it's failures for all of history again and again, and we're just along for the miserable ride.

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[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't give your children unrestricted acces to a smartphone until they've proven they can use it wisely. No smartphone before age twelve. Limited use until age 15. And ffs. Ban smartphones at school.

Teach your kids about the internet. It's part of sexual education.

And don't leave it up to private companies to identify me and collect sensitive data on me. Fuck that. If you really want age verification. Deliver the framework.

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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been saying this a couple places recently, but why not pass legislation requiring every site to provide a content rating. Then parents can choose if they want to restrict content by ratings or not. Yeah, you could have malicious actors, but it makes it easier and simpler for everyone to work than having ID laws.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 28 points 2 days ago

But that would actually solve the problem and not enable massive government overreach. We can't have that.

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 17 points 2 days ago

I imagine it would work about as well as YouTube Kids would.

Which is to say not at all

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[–] Confining@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Part of me wants every website to do this. The UK just gets blocked from majority of the internet then people in the UK can get angry and rebel.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The great firewall of starmer

[–] yeahiknow3 76 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So of all the fucking things to restrict, why this? Facebook is a hundred times more dangerous than any porn. Ban that shit instead.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because it’s something where the current government can claim they’re “doing something” or “addressing a real problem” but it also doesn’t threaten the rich and powerful.

Going after Facebook would threaten the rich and powerful, for who it is an important tool for manipulating people, who think they can use it to mold culture to what they want it to be my breaking the minds of children.

The current UK government is desperate to say to the public that they’re governing and fixing problems, but they also really don’t want to piss off the rich and powerful.

because Facebook is an abstract danger, porn is (relatively) well defined

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 257 points 2 days ago (9 children)

This is the second time in my life that Labour have gained power after a long Conservative tenure, only to dive straight into enacting policies that were more right-wing than their predecessors.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

It's less of a left - right thing (that's mainly economics). It paternalism Vs liberty thing. Labour have always had a very strong "we must protect the populace" theme to their policies. Conservatives have it too, but they want to do it in a different way.

Sadly it's a really difficult thing to stand against. Who wants to be labelled the person enabling paedophiles, when all you want is the right to private communication.

[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be honest I don’t think much of this is about catching or preventing paedos, and is just straight up authoritarianism.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're right. It's not, but that's what you're labelled when you stand against it.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 days ago

Illusion of choice.

if i had a nickel for everytime a labour government came into power after a prolonged tory government and immediately started governing further right id have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice in a row

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 days ago

The OSA was brought in by the tories. Labour agree with it as well. Both of them are authoritarian bastards.

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[–] SilverShark@lemmy.world 314 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's yet another step in seeing the Internet becoming owned by big corporations. Only big corporations can implement these things.

Art, creativity, people doing internet things as a hobby, that is dying more and more everyday.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 144 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I miss the 90s internet :(

[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There was a site I found in highschool around 1998 - the paradigm of pessimism.

Full of dark humor and anti-jokes, in glorious web 1.0 - that site had a huge impact on my humor. I've never been able to find it again. Just a random site someone hosted somewhere on the Internet - no scams, no paywalls, just a bunch of weird humor.

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[–] SilverShark@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

Me too, so much!

A big reason why I've come to like Lemmy communities so much is really because they give me some old internet feeling. It's not super crowded, it's an app that isn't design for brain rot, it allows interesting online discussion etc.

I think projects like this can continue to exist, even in a bleak corporate owned internet.

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[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago

Perfect response. This gets the message across, "governments of the world, the Internet doesn't need you, you need the Internet".

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 120 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a lot of admin for most small providers to be bothered with. Less of a hit to just block the whole UK.

Which is why big tech is actively lobbying for these laws because they know that they will be the only ones who can comply and therefore exist.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's what everyone should be doing.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Have to agree with you. If every site just blocked the country with a stupid law like this, then the regular (regarded) folk that are gonna send over their ID the first chance they get will maybe log off their wank station and idk join the cause.

Saying that, at least ppl will be forced to use a vpn instead of sending their id through the internet if they dont comply and just block.

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[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's a UK Parliament petition to repeal the Online Safety act. There's no guarantee it'll do anything but might be worth a try for anyone in the UK.

[–] tarknassus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Don't forget to write to your MP - being polite but angry helps. Explain the issues, shortcomings and why you feel this should be repealed and a better user-friendly and privacy respecting alternative needs to be found BEFORE implementing stupid asinine knee-jerk legislation like this.

My poor MP is getting it in the jugular because they boasted about working in data security and I'm exploiting the hell out of that statement so they can't easily weasel their way out of it.

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[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Fuck off with your device based verification system. That's just the same service, but as a more invasive app installed on your phone.

Instead of scanning a face or ID and uploading it to a service, we're expected to run unverified closed source code on the device we carry everywhere in our pockets?!

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[–] arararagi@ani.social 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is sadly the way to handle it, users of these places need to learn how to vpn instead of giving their private information for age verification online.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

At this point Dark-web tech needs an upgrade, we might just need a "2nd internet"

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

hand wringing over objectionable video games is why queer artists are now having their platforms removed. if you dont want to see certain kinds of fictional porn, then either avoid the website it is hosted on, or make an account and edit your blacklist. also, if youre worried about your children having access to gay yiff, then restrict their access

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Oh no, what ever will I, resident of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, do.

Boots up Tor.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago
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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Imagine if people could just choose what country they’re browsing from

[–] TingoTenga@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago

Not a long term solution.

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, we're all mad, fuck the suits and all that.

But why does the distinction between "real-world adult material" and "creative, non-realistic", "artistic, animated works" that "do no harm" matter? Last time I checked, realistic adult material can be just as artistic, and the harm done by negligently letting children watch it seems comparable.

Are they in favour of age verification for "uncreative, realistic" pornography, or is the real distinction just between real-life and online?

[–] beveradb@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I interpreted it as "can't possibly be doing harm to the people in the video" - eg as much of mainstream porn can do - since there are none if everything is animated fiction

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 22 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I sort of don't understand why these places which are hosted somewhere else would even bother?

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