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The company is Access Industries and the Founder and Owner is Leonard Blavatnik

Along with what's in the title, he is accused of reputation laundering against Ukraine and has been personally sanctioned by Volodymyr Zelenskyy. He was also part of a WhatsApp group involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "changing the narrative" in favour of Israel and "helping win the war" against Gaza.

Everything is in the linked Wikipedia article about him, mostly under the "Controversies and disputes" part.

I switched to Deezer after seeing it recommended as a better Spotify alternative here on Lemmy, but after finding all this I immediately stopped using it. It's as bad as the shit Spotify does and has done IMO. I'm not here to recommend or push an alternative, but if I can give info on what I use now if someone asks.

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[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago

The Same with Telegram, his fiunder - Nikolai Dutov still lives in Russia and CEO lives in UAE.

[–] TheShadyMoonCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Really sad, I can recommend tidal though

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'll prefer Bandcamp.

Now seriously: Does Qobuz have a equal catalog to Spotify and a bigger/more mainstream catalog than Bandcamp?

[–] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, Qobuz is significantly more mainstream than BandCamp. I don't know if the catalogue is on par with Spotify or AM or whatever, but most popular music is on it.

Bandcamp is like an indie zine that occasionally ships with a burned CD from a local band that has to live in the same rented house with no A/C and a half empty bottle of makers mark in the fridge.

Qobuz is a record store.

[–] sylvieslayer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Holy shit 😂😂 Accurate

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Good to know.
Didnt get that impression from Bandcamp but maybe that depends on the artists you listen so.
I'd say I get the impression way more with Soundcloud.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

you guys need to understand that there are no goodguy rich folk

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

YSK he's ukrainian and has since decades lived in the west, US/Shitrael.
He's a jewish zionist POS.
So he's a western oligarch, but don't let facts keep you from blaming 'the Russians'

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

YSK that he grew up in Yaroslavl, Russia to Russian-speaking Jewish parents. Calling him "Ukrainian" just because he was born in Odesa during the Soviet Union is misleading. He had/has close ties to the Russian state and became wealthy off of Russian oil and aluminium deposits in the 90s.

So yes, you can blame "the Russians", but you should rather blame the system.

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[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Please just tell me that Qobuz is fine. My last straw before going back to piracy.

[–] GroupNebula563@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

@Lanske@lemmy.world: Qobuz is awesome and still 100% french. Also the platform which pays artists better then spotify

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bandcamp?
(ignoring the fact that it was owned by Epic. But they still do Bandcamp Friday)

[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm trying to focus on European offerings. Bandcamp is based in California, I think. Recent months have shown that US companies cannot be relied on.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Interesting and mostly agreed.

[–] mitram@sopuli.xyz 113 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Since we are on this topic I would incentivise everyone to take a look at resonate.

They are, AFAIK, the only music streaming service where artists, workers and listeners are owners (aka it's a cooperative)

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 days ago

Looks like new sign ups are paused right now, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Get Tidal instead

Or better yet buy directly from the artist

I don't understand the mental gymnastics some people do to reach the conclusion that piracy is the "ethical thing" to do. What about the artists? How is that any better for us? If you all pirate then we go from getting peanuts to getting nothing.

In fact, piracy sort of birthed streaming in the first place. There were Limewire and Napster, then streaming platforms came along to basically legalize piracy... Hell, the Spotify CEO used to be the CEO of uTorrent

People used to upload pirated music to YouTube. So you know what happened? YouTube came up with their song detection system that now pays artists when their track is streamed, even if it was uploaded by someone else. Even if it plays in the background of a vlog. See what I mean? Legalized piracy.

PS: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Tidal is ok, its american though and they suck.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (8 children)

None of the online music streamers are ethical. Every single one, to varying degrees, robs the artists and enriches their CEO's and shareholders.

Do the ethical thing.

Don't use them, and instead, use a Youtube-to-MP3 converter and steal the music.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Guess how much money the artists get when you do that?

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[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Bandcamp is pretty good, though. Especially on Bandcamp Fridays where all the profits go to the artists. Plus, I like getting FLACs.

[–] citizensongbird@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Problem with Bandcamp is they got bought out, first by Epic Games and then by Songtradr, and each time it's gone through enshittification. Bandcamp Fridays used to be a weekly thing but got changed to quarterly with little announcement, and then half their staff got laid off to pad the bottom line. Even with all that they're better than the alternatives, but they're still on a decaying trajectory.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Are you under the impression that this will pay any artist anything?

It's fine to take a pro-piracy stance, but pretending that you're doing it out of concern for the artists is grade A-bullshit.

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[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I dunno, Qobuz seems pretty fucking solid, and still allows for purchasing your music directly in FLAC and other formats. What drama is there about them?

[–] bigb@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Go a step further and use something like Deemix to grab FLAC files from their servers

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[–] Nico_198X@europe.pub 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Uuuugh shit, I liked Deezer. :(

Ok, so, Qobuz then?

Edit tired of jumping ship all the time. Going to try going back to local rips and jellyfin server.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Fuck streaming. Pirate all the things!

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been buying mostly mostly from Bandcamp. It's worked out well. I have a big library, and the people making music got paid.

[–] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

FYI bandcamp was acquired by Epic and subsequently sold to Songtrader 2023

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[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I am buying music as much as I can, and build my own streaming service with Jellyfin. To this day, Bandcamp is were you can find the most music for purchase but not all artists are there. Often, I don't find any place to purchase albums from artists, then I pirate as a last resort, sorry for that. I'll go to the concerts when I get the chance, to make up for it.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Blavatnik was a member of a WhatsApp group chat that existed from November 2023 until early May 2024 involving some of the United States' most powerful business leaders with the stated goals of "chang[ing] the narrative" in favor of Israel and "help[ing] win the war" on U.S. public opinion following Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel.

Ah, every single rich person. So predictable at this point it's like a Tinder profile. It's what most billionaires are and what most right-wing idiots want to become.

50m (I just spent 50 million dollars for a party for rich people)

Likes: Tyranny, Autocrats, Colonialism, Wealth Gaps, Kids (Yeah like that 😉), Abrahamic Religions, Unobstructed Hypercapitalism

Dislikes: Unions, Social Progress, Clean Air & Water (except for me lol duh), Equality, Regulation, The EU, "Other Races"

[–] SteakSneak@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 day ago

I use refreezer lol

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