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Skill issue - on the devs side.
A lot of pages even fail if you only disable 3rd-party scripts (my default setting on mobile).
I consider them broken, since the platform is to render a Document Object Model; scripting is secondary functionality and having no fallbacks is bad practice.
Imagine if that were a pdf/epub.
wild thing is that with modern css and local fonts (nerdfonts, etc), you can make a simple page with a modern grid and nested css without requiring a single third party library or js.
devs are just lazy.
Devs are lazy but also product people and design request stuff that even modern CSS cannot do
devs are just lazy.
*cost-efficient. At this point it's a race to the bottom.
no fallbacks is bad practice.
This is how you know they're extra lazy -- no "please enable javascript because we suck and have no noscript version".
It reminds me of flash when it first gained popularity.
“Please enable flash so you can see our unnecessary intro animation and flash-based interface” at, like, half of local restaurant websites
People in this thread who aren't web devs: "web devs are just lazy"
Web devs: Alright buddy boy, you try making a web site these days with the required complexity with only HTML and CSS. 😆 All you'd get is static content and maybe some forms. Any kind of interactivity goes out the door.
Non web devs: "nah bruh this site is considered broken for the mere fact that it uses JavaScript at all"
It's not about using js or not, it's about failing gracefully. An empty page instead of a simple written article is not acceptable.
An empty page isn't great, I would indeed agree with that.
Stop, can only get so erect. Give me that please than the bullshit I have to wade trough today to find information. When is the store open. E-mailadress/phone. Like fuck if I want to engage
That site is literally just static content. Yes JS is needed for interactivity, but there's none here
A lot of this interactivity is complete bullshit, especially on sites that are mostly just for static data like news articles or blog posts, the JS is there for advertisement and analytics and social media, tracking and other bullshit.
The fastest and smoothest websites are usually personal blogs of software engineers, no ads, no social media, no tracking, no pointless comments threads and no gimmicky UI animations, just text and images and if they do add interactive components it's usually done in a good way
News site dev here. I’ll never build a site for this company that relies on js for anything other than video playback (yay hls patents, and they won’t let me offer mp4 as an alternative because preroll pays our bills, despite everyone feeling entitled to free news with no ads)
I would argue that a lot it scripting can and should be done server side.
That would make the website feel ultra slow since a full page load would be needed every time. Something as simple as a slide out menu needs JavaScript and couldn't really be done server side.
When if you said just send the parts of the page that changed, that dynamic content loading would still be JavaScript. Maybe an iframe could get you somewhere but that's a hacky work around and you couldn't interact between different frames
because modern webdevs cant do anything without react
I'm a webdev. I agree. I like react.
I disagree,I did fullstack for years without react, I used the much superior Vue.js
because ~~modern~~ young/unskilled webdevs cant do anything without react
Yes.
Many people won't even know what we're talking about; to them it's like saying "the sheer amount of websites that are unusable without HTML". But I use uBlock Origin in expert mode and block js by default; this allows me to click on slightly* fishy links without endangering my setup or immediately handing my data over to some 3rd party.
So I'm happy to see news websites that do not require js at all for a legible experience, and enraged that others even hide the fucking plain text of the article behind a script. Even looking at the source code does not reveal it. And I'm not talking about paywalls.
* real fishy links go into the Tor browser, if I really want to see what's behind them.
Said it on a top-level comment as well, but I use "medium mode" on uBlock (weirdly not advertised, but easy enough to enable: https://github.com/gorhill/ublock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode). I've found it to be a good middle ground between expert mode which is basically noscript, and rawdogging it.
If I encounter a site that I can't visit unless I enable JS, then I leave.
I have 13 sites whitelisted to allow JS. The internet is fairly usable for me without JS.
Same. This is the way.
If I'd want to write a site with js-equivalent functionality and ux without using js, what would my options be?
WASM and cry because you can't directly modify the DOM without JS.
You can't modify the DOM.
But ~~some~~ most dynamicity can stay - sites can be built freely server-side, and even some "dynamic" functionality like menus can be made using css pseudoclasses.
Sure, you won't have a Google Docs or Gmail webapp, but 90% of stuff doesn't actually need one.
A basic website doesn't require js.
A webshop, for example, does for the part around adding to cart and checkout - but it doesn't for merely browsing.
HTML and CSS can do quite a lot, and you can use PHP or cgi-bin for some scripting.
Of course, it's not a perfect alternative. JavaScript is sometimes the only option; but a website like the one I was trying to use could easily have just been a static site.
I use uBlock medium mode, and if I can't get a website to work without having to enable JavaScript, then I just leave the website.
I just use NOSCRIPT to do this and its annoying to visit websites that need Javascript, but its handy with noscript cause I just turn on the Javascript the website needs for functionality (this should also speed up load times)
Sometimes if am using a browser without extension support (like Gnome WEB) I just disable Javascript on Websites or frontends that dont need it like Invidious (if am facing issues)
