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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Cloudflare seems to be trying to make a shitcoin https://netdollar.cloudflare.com/

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago

Okay, let's see what the dumbshits are trying to sell this time

(This took longer than I'd liked, because copy-paste is pretty laggy on Cloudflare's shit-ass page)

Built for the rise of agents and machines, NET Dollar will enable seamless, automated transactions without human intervention.

"Agents" are automatic data breach machines, letting them repeat that time they stole vibe-coders' crypto on a larger scale is a terrible idea

The rise of autonomous agents and connected devices is creating a new economic paradigm

Autonomous agents don't exist, and the only "new economic paradigm" being made is one where tech is completely unmoored from reality

These systems need a reliable medium of exchange that can handle high-frequency, automated transactions without human intervention.

See my previous point

Rules, triggers, and workflows can be embedded directly into payments, making them smarter and adaptable.

Went so well for Wolf Game, didn't it?

NET Dollar will work across networks and ecosystems, enabling frictionless, global commerce.

And by "frictionless, global commerce", I presume they mean "sanctions evasion and ransomware"

Every coin will be fully collateralized by a U.S. dollar, ensuring transparency, reliability, and price stability.

Just like Tether! /s

NET Dollar will be made available soon.

How about never.

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 5 points 8 hours ago

They banned the guy that wrote the theil antichrist notes.

https://sfstandard.com/2025/09/23/spilled-peter-thiel-s-antichrist-secrets-now-s-banned-lectures/

Stephens and Thiel did not respond to requests for comment. Kulkarni declined to answer questions about the lectures, citing the off-the-record policy.

legal threats?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 1 points 7 hours ago

Disappointed that no one has tried to sell the US government an "Agent Smith" smh

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 11 hours ago

I eagerly await the day when we hear about these people from 1-900-HOTDOG instead of Behind the Bastards

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Not sure if a LessWronger extensively quoting Accelerando as a blueprint for a singularity takeoff is complimentary to Charles Stross:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Xp9ie6pEWFT8Nnhka/accelerando-as-a-slow-reasonably-nice-takeoff-story

Worht noting is that the novel is 20 years old...

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 1 points 2 hours ago

I keep meaning to reread it and report back on zeerust aspects!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Do like somebody left a nice trap there:

You write "you can buy it here" but there is no link.

However, you can do better: the whole thing is available for free online. https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/accelerando-intro.html on the author's website is a good place to start; it has links to various versions of the book and also a little bit of explanatory material.

(Unrelated, hope Stross's recovery is going well, sorry for being a bit parasocial relationshippy here).

I like singularity sky more as a sort of critical book about how a post scarcity singularity would be easy to mess up. Very funny that it inspired the US to give free phones to Afghans to try and combat the Taliban.

[–] veganes_hack@feddit.org 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

personal vent: at my job yesterday i had to come up with a few fake book titles/author combinations for a project. a fun little task and opportunity to hide some cheeky easter eggs. so, i came up with a few and then asked my coworkers to share in the fun. one of them though just couldn't come up with anything at all, and eventually just resorted to "asking chat gpt".

mind you, i work a creative job, and so do my coworkers. this is a minor thing i guess, but it just made me very sad. how could you just outsource your creative joy to some mindless word salad machine?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Man, knowing nothing else about your coworker, they sound like a completely joyless person. Coming up with fake titles for things is like, such a high fun-to-effort ratio. “Creativity and the essence of Human Experience” by Chat GPT. Boom, there’s one. “Cooking With Olive Oil” by Sam Altman. “IQ184” by Harukiezer Murakowsky. This is so fun and easy that it’s basically hack outside of situations where it is solicited.

[–] veganes_hack@feddit.org 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

not joyless at all. i suspect they're creatively worn out. if you make a job out of your hobby, etc etc. combine that with habitual chatbot use and there you go. it's overall just grim honestly. i'll change vocation though if i'm ever forced to partake in the slop at work, thankfully so far that hasn't happened yet.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 6 hours ago

Ah, gotcha. fwiw I wasn’t saying that to say “joyless people are bad”; burnout also tends to look like joylessness.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Is NP P or is NP not P, thats the question, by Scott Scottersons-Scottsson

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Quantum Computing Since Diogenes by Karl Snarx

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

God, we had so much fun doing this at my uni when creating an example DB table for an exam (only it was fake song/band combinations). Are you sure your coworker isn't a robot themselves?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago

This story gives "Bezos buying random cassettes at the gas station" doesn't it?

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Just got back from the Ted Chiang talk at the law school, talk was good but all the Q&A was lawyers ask-telling about LLMs. Not a single question for him about his fiction. :(

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 4 points 17 hours ago

Ted Chiang rules.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A full timeline on the RubyGems takeover has been put together - looks like the entire situation's been caused by pressure from Shopify.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 3 points 15 hours ago

I have no idea about Ruby or the politics behind the scenes, but I do know who DHH is and so it seems like literally none of this would've happened if not for point 2. on the list?? Just like, don't platform the rancid toxic cesspit of a man and you're fine??

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Who's left to do actual work? Who would start a new project that depends on these institutions? Does ruby just die now?

Also:

When the Advanced Custom Fields plugin was stolen by WordPress, DHH said “This is totally crazy. Like if the operators of rubygems dot org just decided to expropriate the official Rails gems, hand over control to a new team, and lock the core team out of it. We’re in uncharted and dangerous territory for open source now. What a sad sight."

lol

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Does ruby just die now?

Part of the background to this issue is the development of rv which apparently offers a future where rubygems is much less important, and some folk seem to be taking that as a threat.

Whether or not the new tooling delivers, the rubygems debacle has probably helped the new project considerably.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It'd be lovely to see the correct folks build a better one with blackjack and webhooks.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

I'm curious whether you or @BlueMonday1984@awful.systems are familiar with the concept of MINASWAN. The only time it's appeared in the discussion is in one of the apologies posted by one of the Ruby Central board members, as their signoff line. Quoting a 2016 analysis of MINASWAN in which it is argued that Ruby's central tenet is not MINASWAN, but wa (和):

Just for the record, MINASWAN is at least half true. Matz is nice. … I would not call DHH nice. … So if MINASWAN is really a basic truth about the Ruby culture, then how does DHH fit in at all? … MINASWAN is garbage. It'd be more accurate to say, "Ruby showcases the Japanese value of 和, but we are arrogant Americans, so we reduce this to a really basic American idea, harshly compressing it in the process to a state where it cannot possibly mean anything any more, instead of bothering to learn something about the outside world for once." But MINASWAN was already a long acronym, so I guess they had to draw the line at RSTJVO和BWAAASWRTTARBAIHCIITPTASWICPMAAMIOBTLSATOWFO.

Also, I really think it's worth understanding that Ruby is not at risk here. Ever since the release of RPG Maker XP in 2005, Ruby has been a staple of embedded scripting for game engines. Really, what we're seeing here is the demise of Rails.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Found a well-done essay by Jared White recently: AI Apologists and the Humanist Legacy of Steve Jobs, which does a good job sneering the ideology of AI and arguing for a more pro-human approach to tech.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

This article also reminded me of how when they are trying to promote AI agents they dont get further than shopping, a secretary, or help you cook with random ingredients. No real human connections

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago

it would be very funny if Rocco Basilico’s legacy was that his name bore resemblance to Roko Basilisk and nothing else

image descQuote tweet: “my name is rokos basilisk and i’m making artificial intelligence that you put on your body”

Quoted tweet: an embedded article platforming Meta’s Chief Wearables Officer named “Rocco Basilico”

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

Satire warning!!! 🚨🚨🚨 You have been warned!!!

Some great tips for using ChatGPT to stop being a “Brain only” person to a fully optimised person!

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago

They put 'environmental impact of AI' on the front of the student newspaper (below the fold, but still), then you flip and see this

kinda feeling two steps forward, three steps back rn on top of all the other drama on campus

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago

Harvard Business Review: AI-Generated “Workslop” Is Destroying Productivity

[...] Employees are using AI tools to create low-effort, passable looking work that ends up creating more work for their coworkers. On social media, which is increasingly clogged with low-quality AI-generated posts, this content is often referred to as “AI slop.” In the context of work, we refer to this phenomenon as “workslop.” We define workslop as AI generated work content that masquerades as good work, but lacks the substance to meaningfully advance a given task.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)
[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

The Ai bubble has taught me that the luddites are really misunderstood.

The Luddites were a 19th century guerrilla movement that smashed textile machines, burned factories and threatened their owners. But they were not motivated by a fear of technology [...] the luddites [...] were engaged in the most science-fictional exercise imaginable – asking not what a technology does, but who it does it to and who it does it for. The Luddites, you see, were skilled weavers whose intense physical labor produced the textiles that clothed the nation. The difficulty of their trade – both in terms of esoteric knowledge and physical prowess – allowed them to command high wages and good working conditions.

All that was threatened by the advent of textile machines, which produced more fabric in less time, and required less skill. The owners of textile factories bought these machines with profits derived from the weavers' labor, and then used those machines to grind down the weavers. Their hours got longer, their pay got shorter, and many of them were maimed or killed by the new machines.

Weaving engines are ingenious and delightful machines. The Luddites had no beef with the machines – their cause was the social relations that governed those machines. By painting Luddites as mere technophobes, we strip ourselves of the ability to learn from history. The lesson of the Industrial Revolution is that merely asking what a machine does and not who it does it for and to can lead to literal genocide.

https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/04/general-ludd/

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

“We believe that in the near future half the people on the planet will be AI, and we are the company that’s bringing those people to life”

This quote is just... something.

Is the plan to literally create 8 billion podcasts in the near future? This company doesn't think that might be a tad excessive?

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