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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Something you’ve probably heard by now is that the Republican Party’s decision to decimate reproductive rights—and celebrate the overturning of Roe v. Wade like it was the greatest thing to ever happen to America—has not gone over great with voters. The 2022 midterm elections, which were supposed to be a red tsunami for the GOP, were anything but: Democrats picked up a seat in the Senate and Republicans just barely took back the House, with voters in critical states citing abortion as the most important issue of the day. A year later, the right to an abortion was enshrined in Ohio’s state constitution; Kentucky voters reelected pro-choice governor Andy Beshear; and Democrats took control of Virginia’s state legislature, preventing the GOP governor from limiting abortion moving forward, which he’d planned to do. The results were unambiguous: The American people want abortion rights.

Now, with the 2024 election less than a year away, what are Republicans running for higher office to do? According to GOP strategist and Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, the answer is simple: make their campaign slogan something like, “Yeah, we took away your reproductive rights, but, hey, we’re letting you keep contraception, and that’s something!”

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 137 points 11 months ago

"We beat you nearly to death, but we didn't kill you." Wow.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

"Hey look buddy you're being unreasonable right now. How about a light 'beating you nearly to death, but you get to watch TV while we do it?"

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 111 points 11 months ago

And then as they always do, the second they win, they'll be coming for that too.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago

Start? Already coming after it.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh we already know that, but they're gonna be two faced and try to play it off like they're not.... then the mask comes off 1 microsecond after they win.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

If you are a woman voting R you absolutely are a traitor.

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And they themselves will be betrayed. Just ask any recently divorced Florida woman what happened when they put time limits on alimony payments. Women who voted for the "Leopards Eating People's Faces" Party shocked when the leopards ate their faces.

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 77 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ooh, someone finally realized current polling is way off from the actual results at the voting booth.

The #GOP finally caught the car, now they are getting pulled under the tire.

I'm looking forward to the GOP joining the Know-Nothings in the trash bin of history.

[-] Sanity_in_Moderation@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The number is 10k per day.

I did the math a few years ago because I couldn't find anyone else who had published it. This is rough and IANAM (mathmagicman).

Every single day 8,000 boomers and above die, and 12,000 people turn 18 and those numbers are actually accelerating. If you use existing data to estimate conservative/liberal and likely voters within those groups it works out to a delta of 10,000 per day on a national scale. That's 5,000 votes switching every single day. That might not seem like alot. Because it really isn't. Out of 155 million votes cast, 10,000 is .006 percent. But here's the thing. It's cumulative. And it just doesn't stop. It is relentless. it's 300k a month, 3.6 million per year. And that pace is accelerating. Between 2020 and 2024 it's a 15 million vote difference. By 2028 it's 30 million. It used to be that people age into conservatism. But that is not happening with millennials. The demographics are changing, and changing quickly. The most conservative group in the country is dying. While the most liberal group is rising.

We just have to hold on to democracy for a few more years. This will all be behind us. Another 10k today.

[-] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 44 points 11 months ago

This isnt even factoring in the mass extinction event that was the covid pandemic. At first it hit everyone equally but once the vaccine came out and they decided to die on their stupid little hill the numbers skewed disproportionately towards the unvaccinated being the ones impacted in subsequent waves. We have confirmed this now in a few studies and I saw it first hand working in the emergency department.

That absolutely accelerated the trend you're describing and I think they are just now realizing that the maga train is careening towards its demise and their bold strategy to worship a conman is going to cost them everything.

This year will be the final deciding factor on that. If we can rid ourselves from trump we can prove that there is still hope for this nation. I'm not so naive to think that there won't be a new conman to take his place and we won't find ourselves in an endless fight. But if we can't stop trump and he somehow gets back in power then there's absolutely no hope for this nation.

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[-] Granite@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago

I love the math, but this assumes that all people vote. And we know Republicans have been attacking the voting rights of people for decades now and that too is accelerating.

They have to cheat to win even now.

[-] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

They literally started their math is based on voting population in their post. Sure, this doesn't account for cheating, but the Dems are also making headway on minimizing gerrymandering in a lot of swing states.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Not to mention, gerrymandering straight up stops working once the demographics are so skewed that it can’t compensate for them any longer. I just hope we can keep this place a (small-d) democracy long enough for that to happen.

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[-] lettruthout@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

That's basically where they are in California. No GOP candidate has won a state-wide seat in a long time and in the legislature they seem to be permanently in the minority.

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[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 66 points 11 months ago

"We're letting you keep contraceptives"

  1. No, they are not.
  2. Who the fuck do they think they are?
[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago

“We promise we won’t rape you if you let us fuck”

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

It's the implication.

[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago

How are there enough Americans supporting these facists that they feel comfortable saying shit like this?

I don't think I want to live here anymore.

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 38 points 11 months ago

There aren't. Supreme Court is compromised, the fifth circuit is compromised. Gerrymandering and other nonsense that weakens our democratic ability to vote.

We could make so many changes from one person one vote to ranked voting to ending the two political party dominance and we'd see these people disappear overnight.

But they have the money and the friends to prevent that from happening

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[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

My dad was military, pro constitution (even though he's said multiple times that the right to bare arms was written into the deceleration of independence) and has said he needs to fight the woke left to protect America. I pointed out how republican states are banning books, going against the 1st ammendment. His response was "some times you need to take away people's rights for their own good." It would be hilarious if it weren't so scary how the right is willing to sell out every ounce of morality just to win.

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

“some times you need to take away people’s rights for their own good.”

Sounds like something he'd imagine Stalin might've said.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Dark money insulates them from the consequences of their words and actions.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago

Translation: get over that we're taking away your rights. We'll give you some privilege we can take back whenever we want to in exchange for your votes for long enough for us to take away voting rights and then we won't have to offer you shit

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 49 points 11 months ago

But they're not letting them keep contraception? That's just an abject lie.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 26 points 11 months ago

An abject lie from the GOP, how predictable.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

They're letting you keep contraceptives in the same way that Roe is settled law

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

Look, sure the Republicans lied about wanting to ban abortions in the case of rape, incest, and the life of the mother. Sure, they lied about not wanting a national ban. And sure they lied about not wanting to prosecute women. But you can totally trust that they aren't lying this time! Ignore the hand behind their back. They aren't crossing their fingers. They promise!!!

[-] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

I am still "debating " with an idiot conservative, that claims that both sides are bad, but heck, I am still waiting to see the democrats removing rights from the population.

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[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

"we're letting you"

[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

Four years from now:

"We took away your contraceptive rights, but we're still letting you decide who and when to fuck"

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
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[-] Beefytootz@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

I'm sorry, isn't kellyanne Conway the one who abused the shit out of her daughter and used her political position to brush it under the rug? I don't think I'd like to take parenting advice from an abusive parent, but that may just be me

[-] spriteblood@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago

Sure, but only if you count stealing nudes off her underage daughter's phone then keeping the child porn in her possession for an undetermined amount of time until she found a spiteful enough reason to tweet them out to her 3.5 million followers being abusive.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

That sounds disturbing, and not legal.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Yeah, literal gender swapped Skeletor is whitewashing what Conservative "Justice" Thomas said when they stripped abortion rights away.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

Sadly this will probably work because people are stupid and forgetful.

[-] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 11 months ago

we're letting you keep contraception

Jesus fucking christ

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[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They don't need to "win back" women. The conservative voting bloc lost very few votes due to women switching their vote from republican to democrat after Roe fell. It caused a small surge of new women voters.

Trump is currently leading the polls against Biden. I feel like people don't understand this. The Republicans need to do very little to keep their current level of power. What Conway is talking about is EXPANDING their vote advantage.

These articles that make it seem like they're losing are just idiotic. They're winning and Roe didn't make a big enough difference to change that. We all need to grok that fact.

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[-] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kellyanne's comment is an embarrassingly dumb take of course, but I don't know if she's wrong in judging voters. I am mentally preparing for the worst this year...because it really does seem like the GOP just cannot underestimate the voting population.

For example, check out the poll citations at the end of this Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/01/biden-trump-new-years-message

The USA Today and Suffolk University survey, condensed by the Guardian, found that Biden had 34% support among Hispanic voters surveyed, down from 65% in 2020, compared with Trump’s 39%. Biden’s support among Black voters had also declined, from 87% to 63%.

Among younger votes under 35, Trump leads Biden 37% to 33%, a spread that four years ago was 24 points in Biden’s favour.

It's dumbfounding that in any poll, any time that Trump leads among voters under 35 and hispanic voters, and has 24 points less Black support. Yes, it's one poll, yes, it's too early to really matter. But Biden is somehow underwater in 538 polling by double digits. And this is following an election that Biden won by around 50,000 total votes.

My point here is not to discourage people from voting or to be nihilistic, or resign themselves to Trump. It's the opposite. We need to get very fired up, because we are in an echo chamber, and the world outside of it seems to have the memory of a goldfish and a similar capacity to recognize fascism. I'm saying this because we are going to need every single vote in November, and we need to start talking to people outside of our bubble sooner rather than later.

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago
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[-] CodeName@infosec.pub 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

She's either delusional and she's sticking her fingers in her ears while screaming lalalala, or she actually thinks this is a message that sells to all the people who are angry about their autonomy and healthcare rights being stripped away from them. I'm not sure which is worse.

They're already planning to go after contraception. It's on their wishlist. We already know it.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/maga-plan-attack-birth-control-surveil-women-ban-abortion-pill-1234934807/

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow. A real vote winner for sure. If the Dems weren't so horribly, utterly useless they would be running this on billboards across the country.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

“Let them eat cake”

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 15 points 11 months ago

"Conservative" women are in an abusive relationship. With their minority-hating Party, and probably with their controlling partners as well...

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago
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