If grandpa's still voting R, he's voting for the fascists of the 21st century.
If you want to know what you would've done living in Germany in the 1930's...
Plenty of people who go to the shooting range vote D
Hence the inclusion of the word "if ".
Hell yeah. Give me that big phat D.
I think people would be surprised how many liberal gun owners are out there (including myself). The difference is we don't worship guns like the lunatics on the right.
Grandpa won't need to go to Germany for round 3 with the NAZIs. They are right around the corner wearing MAGA hats.
Generous to presume that Grandpa isn't one of them.
Germany will go to the US to fight Nazism, sounds about right.
Biggest plot twisy
Unfortunately not that big of a twist. It wasn't until wartime that the US fully turned its back on the Nazis, they had an uncomfortably huge amount of support in America.
Yep, was thinking he checks the box next to the (R) on the ballot. Older,boomer generation, into guns pushes the odds strongly in that direction.
E: typo
Those MAGA folks might be the more immediate threat.
Well, Fascism is on the rise in Germany (and pretty much everywhere else).... Makes me incredibly sad and frustrated to see what's currently happening
It's as if people have learned absolutely nothing from the past; not even the Germans. It's enough to make you cry.
There is a set of grievances and motivations the bigots have that are not being addressed.
And no one has come up with an effective counter strategy to the fascist manipulation playbook yet.
Yes, that's the thing. I find it terribly frustrating that the same old playbook still works with all its pamphlet-like explanations, its false accusations and its pretended messiah logic: "It's the foreigners' fault that you can't find job; a strong leader will stand up for you and save us all if you just follow him unconditionally" and so on and so forth. It simply boggles my mind how people can still believe that - in Germany, with its terrible Nazi past, just as much as in America, where an obviously criminal billionaire pretends to care about those left behind and dissatisfied. It's almost as if people want to be exploited and instrumentalized against their own interests. I don't get it.
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Having hung around them before, I think it's because what tyrants actually promise them is the right to be openly hateful without consequence. See, they believe drivel about how people different from them are the cause of their problems long before fascism shows up; they were always bigots and likely always will be. The fascists simply mirror their thoughts, speech and behaviors openly, making the followers feel safe to express shit they already believed.
It's not the fascist leaders that are responsible, it's the people for thinking the way that they do.
Plot twist: he is German.
Based antifascist grandpa
"In case they want round three, so we can waltz in years late and claim victory, then spend decades destabilising the planet for profit oooooeeeeeee"
This kind of "America did nothing in WW2" rhetoric is almost as r-word'ed as "America soloed WW2." You're an idiot if you think America was "years late" and didn't play a huge role in the European front. Not even to address the Pacific Theatre.
Even prior to direct military entry, the US was providing mass amounts of aid to fight the Axis. We were giving the UK destroyers, arms, and ammunition immediately after the Nazi invasion of Poland, gave billions to China to help fight the Japanese invasion, and started arming the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease as soon as Germany invaded them.
We also deployed to Iceland to take over the Brits’ post there so they could free up troops to the mainland.
Even ignoring the European front, which is stupid, the US was instrumental in the African front and neutralizing Italy.
But nah, the US kicking ass and stacking bodies on 3 different fronts wasn’t important to winning the war. Nope.
Likewise (related to aid) churning out liberty ships at the rate of 3 ships every other day to counter lost cargo ships was totally superfluous and not at all crucial for England.
I lived in Russia, and in History class I was taught that Stalin singlehandedly showed up to save those poor helpless Europeans from bloody nazis, because it was the right thing to do.
When I loved in Europe, it were the Jewish partisans who won WW2 through brain drain on Germany, and the stupid Nazis killed themselves.
In the US I found out that the thing in Europe was typical Medieval European Kingdoms in a fight, and the real high-tech stuff was in the Pacific.
Now as a programmer, I know who truly won WW2: it was our legendary bro Alan all along.
WW2 was won with British Intelligence, American steel and Russian blood.
Ok so I'm by far an expert on world wars but from I understand, America did play a rather isolationist position prior to pearl harbor. We can agree that politically America had some pull on things going on in Europe but they didn't actively put boots on the ground until shit got really close. Giving others weapons to fight with is one thing. Sacrificing your own lives for the world is a different one
If it wasn’t for the supply shipments to Britain, they likely would have lost before things got close in the first place. Note it wasn’t just weapons but also food and medical supplies.
Edit: Also, the shipments were regularly attacked by German U-boats, so there absolutely was risk to American lives still.
Yes WW2 started in 1939, and Pearl Harbor was in december 1941. So it took 2 years for USA to get involved. But USA was such a massive influence, because their industrial output was without comparison bigger than anything else in the world. It was bigger than Europe combined. USA was also a major factor in keeping the trans Atlantic traffic open, and defeating the German submarines. D-Day would have been impossible without USA, as USA was the biggest force. USA also suffered the most losses in operation overlord, with almost twice the casualties and killed as UK. All that is apart from doing by far the most in the effort against Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord
It's denigrating to the American effort to call that waltzing in.
America did play a rather isolationist position prior to pearl harbor.
Britain did play a rather isolationist position prior to the invasion of Poland. It's just a feature of diplomacy to avoid armed conflict at all costs. Kind of like when Britain secured "peace for our time" by offering Czechoslovakia to Hitler as a Sacrificial Lamb..
they didn't actively put boots on the ground until shit got really close.
False comparison. There was no alternative to "boots on the ground" for the European Allies when the war happened in their backyard, but there was certainly an alternative to the U.S. offering a quarter-trillion dollars (adjusted) in aid to Europe.
If he trains to shoot Nazis, he should just pin a MAGA cap to his range target.
The gun mount only turns 45°.
ITT: weirdly a lot of people assuming that Grandpa votes Republican based on nothing besides his age and love of guns
Dude looks and acts exactly like my great grandfather who served in the navy kn WWII. He was a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and hated Republicans until he died in 2017.
Grandpa may not like fascists. Don't make assumptions.
Respect, going to the range can be a family experience.
Not so sure about Germany round 3 though.
So fucking dumb.
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