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[-] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 68 points 9 months ago

No, they pronounce it correctly.

[-] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 24 points 9 months ago

I think OP was asking about young kids who are still learning to pronounce words correctly.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

I think I quick edit in the title would have cleared up a lot of confusion here.

[-] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago
[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[-] Luci@lemmy.ca 53 points 9 months ago

I was once an Italian kid. My parents would have beat me if I pronounced spaghetti wrong.

So no. They don't.

[-] tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 9 months ago

And if they do, they won't be able to tell you after

[-] Art3sian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Kids are about the only thing Italians can beat in a fight.

Amirite?

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

How do you mispronounce something with your hands?

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

"Thank you" and "bullshit" are pretty close in American Sign Language.

It happens!

[-] AmidFuror@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Thank you and bitch are much closer. At least the way I learned bullshit involved two hands.

[-] Mok98@feddit.it 14 points 9 months ago

From what I remember the last time I heard an Italian kid mispronounce spaghetti they just skipped the s so the result was paghetti.

[-] froh42@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Heh. When my daughter was small, she could say spaghetti, but also added the initial "s" to baguette, making it a "spaguette" .

We're German, by the way, so we frequently eat both.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

I always thought the mispronunciation was more of a puhscetti than a buhsgetti

[-] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago

I've encountered both. The two I mentioned got the point across.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We say spuhghetti around these parts.

I feel like I'm misunderstanding the joke though.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

They're talking about when young Italian kids are first learning the word do they mispronounce it the same way.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I'm just confused on the buh part. I've never heard anyone pronounce it like that.

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

think someone under 7 years old

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

A 6-year old? Sounds more like a 3-year old...lol

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

shit idk, i avoid kids.

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

The pronunciations you have in your head are mispronunciations that some children & uneducated people use.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yes, that's why OP is asking if Italian children make similar mispronunciations. Like is it an artifact of learning a word that sounds like that in general or of learning it in the context of English specifically?

[-] GiuEliNo@feddit.it 9 points 9 months ago

No, we don't.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I can't say this with 100% certainty, but Italians migrated to America at the end of the 19th century. And they did so from the poorer south. So I've heard that American Italian communities speak Italian like modern day grandparents. Here's an article on why American Italians pronounce cappacola gabagol.

[-] Devi@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

Surely they must do? Like kids are not going to find certain sounds like 'sp' easier depending on what country they're from but maybe the sounds they learn first with be different?

[-] ares35@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

it was 'sketti' for me back then, and it is still decades later.

[-] zout@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Pronounciation differs in Italian, so when they mispronounce, it probably wont't sound like their American counter parts.

[-] Oisteink@feddit.nl 3 points 9 months ago

Kids do in fact have an easier time pronouncing syllables they hear about them. And from about age 3 it starts going downhill. At 9 it’s near impossible to learn to speak a new language without accent.

[-] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's true, but also, speech-motor control develops throughout childhood, and one of the last things children develop is consonant clusters. This means words like (sp)a(gh)etti are harder for most children to say than, for example, "banana", regardless of their language. Children tend to replace difficult clusters with one of their sounds, and when there's more than one difficult cluster in a word, sometimes the other sound of one gets transposed in place of the other.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

I've heard that it's until 12~14, depending on exposure.

I know people who moved to Canada from countries with little exposure at or after the age of 9 who still speak their mother tongue at home, and yet have no accent at all when speaking English. A very linguistically different language from English, at that.

[-] Devi@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

I agree, but things like "Sp", is that common in italian? I'm not sure but I'm thinking not. It's interesting and now I need someone with an Italian toddler to chip in.

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