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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People downplay that Access Hollywood tape, but he wasn’t joking. He was completely serious. In his mind, he could - and did – literally grab women’s pussies because he thought they’d just let him do it.

Here’s the thing, as an SA survivor, there are several natural reactions to situations like that – fight, flight, or freeze. In close quarters, you often can’t flee, and with a large attacker, you can’t always fight. Freezing is a very common response to sexual assault.

So all these years, when he says ‘they just let you do it’, he’s been describing his victims’ freeze response. You don’t have to be a star for that to be your victim’s reaction. And yet his followers and the media have turned it into a joke.

I think I can speak for many SA survivors when I say that’s disgusting, appalling, and hurtful.

e: a few words

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't find it funny at all and have to say my faith in humanity was absolutely crushed (below rock bottom) when he wasn't immediately cast out after the tape came out. My mother (in her 80s) was like "yeah, that's what we're dealing with, son".

It's not locker room talk, it's rapist talk.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's not locker room talk, it's rapist talk.

100%. Worse, he says ‘they’ let you do it. How many women has he done this to? Obviously more than E Jean. Looking at the hell she’s been put through since coming forward, it’s no wonder his other victims haven’t been willing to come forward.

Trump was a co-defendant along with Epstein in the rape case of a 13 year old girl who dropped the case when herself and her family were threatened with death.

He’s not just a rapist, but a serial rapist.

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[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a dude who's been in plenty of locker rooms... it is indeed "rapist talk". For sure, there's bantering of all sorts (mostly about boobs and dumbshit)... but there ain't nobody in there that's proud to talk like that; Unless they actually mean it and than they sound like a creepy fucking rapist, and nobody's really having fun with the "jokes" anymore.

He's a rapist. And by continuing to open his fat fucking mouth about how that's "fine and whatever", he brings down all men in the process. Fuck that dude, he ain't allowed to be part of the "cool men's club", ya fucking weirdo. Fuck that dude

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Rereading this thread, I just wanted you to know I don’t agree with your downvote. Guys admire boobs and stuff and that’s perfectly fine. Like you’re saying, there’s a line. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate you.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (17 children)

That's the most important thing to remember about all this. They know he's an abuser. They know he brags about it. They know all the despicable things he's done.

And it's either unimportant to them, or they've managed to become so psychologically twisted that they actually like it.

We have a society being dominated by deeply, deeply broken people right now.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a common problem all over the place. We don't care what people we like do, and it's not limited to Trump/Republicans.

R Kelly was a known pedophile for years, and still a celebrated musician until he finally went to jail. Ray Lewis killed a guy, but was on the Raven's sideline as an honored guest and former player. Ellen Degeneres fostered a toxic work environment for year while hosting a popular talk show. Weinstein raped women for years while being a celebrated producer. Chris Brown has been beating women for years and still had success after many high profile incidents.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Chris Brown is wild to me. Many other cases are circumstantial-but-damning-because-frequency for a long time. Brown beat the fuck out of Rhianna, there’s police reports and photos of her in the public domain, and yet he still has a public celebrity that isn’t the “Chris Brown global apology tour”

[–] RobertMitchum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel like Ellen caught a stray here, I'm not sure being a mean boss is equivalent to what Weinstein did.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I wasn't trying to make an equivalent list, but she does feel out of place, but she did have a decade long talk show while being toxic behind the scenes. Chevy Chase was a known asshole before he left snl in comparison.

I don't know much about it her particular case but have had mean bosses (like one guy thought it would be funny to drug me with something, no idea what, when I asked for an advil - it was in a different country, he told me that's why it looked different; another would scream at grown men until they cried). I have known lots of people whose lives were terrorized at work by monsters who knew they needed the job and had to take it. It's not ok.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Violence is violence.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conservative morality isn't based on the things it claims to be.

The foundations are these:

  1. Social hierarchy is natural and desirable.
  2. The hierarchy is asserted by selective rule-enforcement
  3. The game is zero-sum

They literally don't believe that rules should bind high-status people; that's what makes them powerful - and thus admirable - in their eyes.

Rules are only enforced downwards, protecting the strong from the actions of the weak - and violating that principle is the only sin.

That's why they're so hung up on race / gender / sexuality: those things are caste markers to them, and determine the right and proper role for people in their eyes. If someone steps out of their pre-ordained caste, that's violating the hierarchy and eroding the rules that keep society ordered-therefore-safe, and therefore inherently immoral to them.

Every time people post another scoop on Trump getting away with shit, it just affirms his kingly, even godly status in their eyes.

The only thing that can bring him down is defeat and failure, being subjected to rules and forced to submit to them, showing him to be low-status and thus not admirable.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The book Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It (excerpts) is fantastic to explain this new fascism and provides a very useful new definition: “Inequality through mythological and essentialized identity”

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Damn thank you for introducing me to this site, like libgen but way better (also including libgen)!

[–] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

That's why they're so hung up on race / gender / sexuality: those things are caste markers to them, and determine the right and proper role for people in their eyes. If someone steps out of their pre-ordained caste, that's violating the hierarchy and eroding the rules that keep society ordered-therefore-safe, and therefore inherently immoral to them.

You've nailed it. Also, if people start to realise these labels aren't as fixed they may naturally extend those conclusions to other arbitrary markers - like class and wealth.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

THERE’S NEVER BEEN A SECRET TO THE PERSON HE IS. HE SAID IT OUT LOUD AND STILL BECAME PRESIDENT.

It’s not like people aren’t listening, it’s that those that vote for him actually think the same way and it makes them proud to hear it when it’s said

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The worst part is how many women are in the MAGA movement. And they don't care.

[–] Seraph@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

That's the fun of the "it's not a problem until it happens to me" crowd!

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Internalized misogyny is real. When you're absolutely brain dead stupid and have no personality, male validation is extremely powerful. You can get a ton of male validation by appealing to the dumbest ones who would drool at the chance to be in the same room as you.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MAGA = Bad Humans.

You really are a shit person if you support this trash. No excuses, nothing can justify it, you're just a piece of shit.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Yes yes and thrice yes.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

He was elected despite being on tape saying "grab em by the pussy, you can do anything"

They aren't going to start caring about women suddenly. Women are just property to the base and they are expected to vote according to their owners. At least that's what it looks like!

After someone said "So, who cares? He's the president" I decided to cut all contact and never speak to them again.

They know, they don't care. The cruelty is always the point.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Because if they investigate him, they'd have to investigate all of them.

[–] DarkDecay@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

It's not really a surprise coming from the party of hate filled losers, incels and criminals. I expect no less and hope that voters remember come election time. It is long past due to send the Republicans back to under the rocks from which they came

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

We’ve understood this forever. What MAGA people all have in common is that they’re terrible people. It’s the seven deadly sins all rolled up into one voting block.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Misogyny Arouses GOP Arseholes.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fascism. They fundamentally believe that inequality based on inherent identity is morally correct. And identity based on some myth. That is why capitalism, science denial to further deregulation, blind or fanatical faith and fascism work so well together.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

MAGA sees women as property. 2nd class citizens. Subhuman. They are to be possessed and done with as you please. The primary tenet of conservatism is that natural hierarchies exist. Conservatives believe men are inherently "better" than women. Period.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

"It's an American ideal that we treat women with respect. Also, TRUMP THAT BITCH"

[–] onparole@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

He's still talking about that wall he couldn't finish or make Mexico pay for. And he's gonna drill drill drill and re-defund the EPA again. How the f do you explain to your kid that 50 million, scary low for USA to get elected, opted for the grab guy again?

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

His fascist supporters love it, because it puts women "in their place" and they want to return to a time (not too long ago) when all of society swept abusive misogyny under the rug.

I mean, why else would they constantly demonize feminism?

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

It's not even that they don't care; they actually like it, presumably because it legitimizes what they also already do.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

They’re degenerates and trump is their king.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its almost like you could ask the old question "are you still beating your wife?" A yes answer gets even more votes.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The question is, "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Their answer is, "Didint"

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Crowd cheers

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