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If this isn't a conservative community, can someone point me to the actually conservative community?

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[-] chunkystyles@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

"Brigaded" meaning just hearing other opinions and not being a completely insular echo chamber like /r/conservative, lol.

[-] shemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This is a new community on a platform that has had a massive surge of users, so there are going to be growing pains for a bit. My goal as a mod is to allow for conversation on both liberal and conservative ideas, and I believe several other mods agree with me. We may become more strict if this does become a liberal community, though.

An important tool for the mod team too is you guys flagging/reporting posts and comments. I check in almost every day and have received no reports for over two weeks. As the community grows, this will become even more important since we can’t read every post or comment. I have read nearly every one though, lol.

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'm an anarchist and also think liberals suck, I'd love to have real conversations with conservatives. For example, I'd like to ask a conservative what they think of this statement:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Is that true or true-ish? If not, why? If so, why is that ok?

[-] shemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is an example of what I personally want in this community. A conservative echo chamber limits free speech and criticism of conservative values, which weakens conservatives and conservatism.

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

brigaded, but voting has no functional purpose - aka if everything is bad, nothing is bad.

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

This is it, one of the downsides of a decentralized network like the fediverse here is that there is no current way to prevent brigading. It seems like this is mainly just one super MAGA dude ranting and a bunch of brigaders responding. I was going to give it some time and see if it mellowed out as it developed.

[-] aski3252@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't think there is any "brigading" going on here.. Just to be clear what brigading actually is:

On reddit, there was a time when there were coordinated and organised efforts to "invade" another communities. For example, there were threads on 4Chan where users linked to subreddits or posts with the aim of having a bunch of users post similar stuff at the same time.

There was also brigading within reddit when one sub would make a post where they coordinate users to post specific comments in specific threads or post similar stuff in a specific subreddit.

As far as I can tell, that's not what is happening here.. There is no coordinated group effort here, it's just that the vast majority of users on lemmy are not conservatives.

[-] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm actively removing offending posts and banning trolls. Bear with us, moderation tools are lacking, but I promise we're working behind the scenes to keep discussion on topic.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Are Lemmy communities not able to moderate themselves?

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Moderating can only go so far for brigading. Mass downvotes aren't something moderators have control over. There's also the risk of what reddit did where tons of subreddits proactively banned people simply for participating in other subreddits without ever posting in the banned subreddit.

The bottom line is that while reddit is super liberal, lemmy is openly hostile to anyone right of center and I don't see any realistic solution to this. Welcome to the growing pains of a 15+ year old system going down and starting over from scratch.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?

I suppose there being enough subreddits to distract people to the communities they’re interested keeps them from trolling/brigading/etc the communities they’re not.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?

The /r/conservative subreddit bans anybody who isn't conservaitve from commenting in the majority of important threads.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Does a ban stop someone from downvoting though? I didn’t think it did, but I’m not 100% sure.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

A ban does, but at least with the comments its more of a lock out I think.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The solution to brigading is to move to an instance that doesn't federate with brigaders.

If you don't like the instance you're on, you're free to go somewhere else.

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point. I get along just fine with real liberals and have plenty of views that bridge both. Limiting participation to a single isolated instance is basically pointless, especially as an actual replacement for reddit. Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn't part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point.

All instances start fully federated, and slowly get defederated by the communities that choose to do so.

Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn’t part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.

Like it or not brigading is what stops places from being echo chambers.

[-] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Either way I'm not looking for isolated echo chambers with virtually no variety of content. Defederated instances defeat the entire point. I can get along just fine with people who I don't agree with 100%, it would just be nice if others can do the same.

Like it or not brigading is what stops places from being echo chambers.

This is literally 100% false. Justify it however you want but your goal is to run anyone out that you disagree with so only your personal views are left. That isn't stopping it from being an echo chamber.

[-] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

your goal is to run anyone out that you disagree with

No it's not

[-] mirror_slap@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I think the problem is that much of the "conservative" side is, well, divorced from reality. If you want to find a place in the fediverse that will simply let that slide, it's not gonna happen. As long as you've got Trump leading the polls, his lackeys wasting time in the House on nonsense while ignoring criminals like Santos, other idiots banning books, a SCOTUS that's the most blatantly corrupt, well, ever, etc. etc. etc. you're going to have a bad time.

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