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[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 286 points 9 months ago

Yeah but deciding not to vote for Biden just feels like a good trendy way to express my sympathies with Palestineans... /s

[-] Kiryu@lemmy.world 197 points 9 months ago

I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 68 points 9 months ago

Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution.

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[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO

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[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 37 points 9 months ago

If its a primary then fuck Biden, but if it's the General Election then the blue name on the ballot is who gets the check.

[-] Rubanski@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

I am convinced a good chunk of the "genocide Joe" crew are agents provocateurs.

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[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 228 points 9 months ago

Biden: We’ve been reluctantly supporting a very close ally, but it’s gone too far, and now we’re publicly condemning while admittedly still funding them. It’s a complicated situation, and I’m a cautious centrist.

Trump: Why are there still buildings standing in Gaza? That won’t happen on my watch. May as well wipe out the West Bank while we’re at it.

For the life of me, I can’t tell the difference. I have no idea who to vote for to help the Palestinians.

[-] Krono@lemmy.today 37 points 9 months ago

There is no one to vote for to help the Palestinians.

The only hope for Gaza is for Biden to change course and use his significant leverage to convince Bibi to end the blockade.

If the status quo of famine is allowed to continue, there will be no Gazans left to bomb when Trump is sworn in on Jan 2025.

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[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 21 points 9 months ago

When your highly nuanced and extremely educated political stance is obliterated by an extremely obvious fact that you forgot to consider because you got lost in the sauce of [current hot conversation topic] for [I'm a Leftist!(TM)] identifying individuals.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 144 points 9 months ago

This is what I've been pointing out all along... Say what you want about Biden funding Israel, Trump is actively worse.

And no, Jill Stein or Cornell West are not viable alternatives.

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 120 points 9 months ago

The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation, and thereby doing their part to help Donald "Gotta Finish the Problem" Trump win, makes my bones hurt. I hate this timeline and I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

Not voting for Biden in the primaries is perfectly fine.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Agreed and I did the same yesterday. Will vote for Biden in the end, but I registered my complaint. As best I can tell, his tone shifted after Michigan so we'll see if there is more change on the horizon.

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[-] just_change_it@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago

Trump also repeatedly claimed that if he were president, there would be no war between Israel and Gaza. “It would have never happened if I was president,” he said of Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack against Israel, in which more than 1,100 Israeli and foreign nationals were killed. “They wouldn’t have done it to me, I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden and frankly they got soft,” he added.

uh huh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_airborne_arson_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel_in_2020

They would never have done it if he was president. They only attacked because of biden.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago

But sure, yeah... go ahead and just not vote. Letting Trump in will be so much better for the Palestinians.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago

A week ago, the difference between the two would have been that Trump would enable Israel in every way, while Biden would enable Israel in every way, but staffers would leak stories about how much Biden didn't like Netanyahu from time to time. Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza while Harris is calling for a ceasefire, and this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted. When done properly, threatening to withhold your vote can be an effective way to make your voice heard.

[-] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

I think you make a great point, but I would add a caveat. There IS a difference between Biden and trump. One will listen to protesters, and the other won't. You can pressure Biden and he will change his position because he seems to care what voters think, and Trump doesn't.

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[-] Postreader2814@lemm.ee 58 points 9 months ago

Color me surprised that the facist sympathizes with other fascists committing a genocide.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago
[-] soratoyuki@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Given that Trump is running in the Republican primary, I'm unsure how this would effect anyone voting uncommitted in a Democratic primary?

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[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

Remember Trump isn't on the democratic ballot. You can't vote against him until November. Your only choice in the primaries is to vote for Biden or vote that you are here for the other progressive and democratic choices down ballot but Biden has to earn that commitment by doing something against his own personal desire to be a Zionist and instead help starving children get food.

Uncommitted doesn't mean I'm never going to vote for Biden. It just means he has to earn it through action.

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Sure, but how many people are casting uncommitted or seeing how unpopular Biden is and are going to stay home in November because of it? My guess is not zero.

I get the protest and the timing, but it’s unclear if it’s really inoffensive in the general.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago

In all honesty I think if Trump was president right now, not only would I have been shot about 2 years ago (lots of Trump assholes around me and I was pretty vocal on the town page when I was on FB back in 2020), we absolutely would have boots on the ground in Gaza.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

Oh, good.

So the only reason to not vote for Biden is also a reason to not vote for trump. At least Biden seems to be at least signaling for cease fires.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

It's not much, but at least Biden is malleable on this. He can be persuaded to make the attempt to try to slow the Israelis down, maybe even stop arms shipments to Israel altogether (or at least add conditions). If Trump comes in, he'd probably go in the complete opposite direction out of spite for liberals and would try to help the Israeli genocide even harder. It's not a great choice, but the choice of least harm in this case is still Biden.

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[-] omnomed@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago
[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And people think Democrats will ~~vote on~~ support Trump because Biden won't denounce Israel...

[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's at least in part Russian propaganda. They don't want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.

Look at the people pushing the 'genocide Joe' thing. Invariably they're anti-NATO and make excuses for Iran, Syria and Russia. Not that they're doing it deliberately, but plenty seem to have bought the propaganda and are acting like useful idiots by spreading it.

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[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 34 points 9 months ago

Man, I was worried for a second he would take the opposite stance.

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[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

Man who some have called a fascist, backs a genocide.

[-] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

It's the final solution in maga speech

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

So he openly proposes the Endlösung? Wherever you are in the US, kick some grandpa's ass (provided they helped rid Europe of Hitler) and stump their noses into this topic so they see what Trump is.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

GeNoCiDe JoE!!!1!1

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He must mean finish the "solution"

The dude talks at a 3rd grade level.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 26 points 9 months ago

I think here he is thinking of "finish" in the sense of "finishing off", not in the sense of "finishing up with". He is not wishing for Israel to "solve" the issue, he is calling for them to kill all Palestinians.

At least in my reading.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 22 points 9 months ago

I think it's supposed to be vague enough that they can tell "moderates" it means "finish the conflict" but the MAGAs understand it as "final solution."

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[-] suction@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Ohh, just how will our little "But Biden saporz Genocide"-crybabies now explain away their "both side is bad" bullshit?

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Jesus fuck trump is one dumb mother fucker. So many dipshits were gonna not vote for Biden because of his non committal bullshit when it comes to Gaza. Which, ill admit, is annoying me as well but obviously not so much I'm gonna not vote.

Then this orange fuck comes along and makes sure to push those people back to Biden.

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