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[-] MxM111@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The most worrying thing is that this “you” who is in some kind of “charge” is just a figment of your imagination.

[-] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

And since your cells are constantly dying and being replaced, you isn’t even you anymore.

[-] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago
[-] MxM111@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Or meat popsicle. But with hallucinations!

[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That depends on your view of what we are, I do not believe we are pur bodies and my opinion on that is not up to debate of you want to argue with me on it

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

I like the buddhist idea that our consciousness is what governs our mind, and our mind governs the body. Through meditation, you can start to see from the perspective of your consciousness, and not just your mind.

Is that what you are talking about?

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago

The foreign bacteria in your gut had a much more direct audience with your brain than your cells do. Question is, is it an Embassy? Are they Diplomats? ... or are they Oligarchs? >!As long as they call me sugar mommy for giving them sweets!<

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

To be fair, they outnumber your cells by something like ten to one.

I love democracy.

[-] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Drink a gallon of bleach and learn how much power you have over those little fuckers!

[-] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It cleans you out, but leaves you hollow inside.

[-] don@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

My cells are dumb terminals and I’m their virtual server.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago

I have epilepsy so my brain gets DDOSed from time to time

[-] don@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Wow that’s a really apt analogy and I laughed way harder than I expected.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

You should probably set up cloudflare or something for that.

Lol for real though, my ex had a seizure disorder. It sucked. There was a medication that they had her use for a bit, but it honestly made her so high for hours that taking the medication was worse than her seizures, so she stopped.

[-] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

GO BACK TO CHESS CLUB, NERD.

[-] don@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Seriously can you guys just leave me alone? Chess is really cool, and you’d find that out if you just tried it. Sportz is dumb anyway.

[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Biology is complexity built upon simplicity. By asking this question, you are actually asking the same question philosophers and religions have asked for millennia: do we have a soul/free will?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. If we are governed by the same forces as the rest of the universe, then even free will is an illusion caused by the myriad of interactions between the particles making up our bodies and the particles that make up the rest of the universe. If we could know the current state of every particle in the universe, we could accurately predict the future. Your destiny was set into motion the moment the universe exploded into existence trillions of years ago at the advent of the big bang. Knowing this not only doesn't change the outcome, it was part of the design for you to know in the first place.

Or maybe I'm just high. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That's determinism, a very popular and nice logical philosophical thought. Sadly, it's completely disproved by quantum physics.

[-] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Is it, though? Every organ has its inputs, things happen and they produce an output (a reaction). Like the eyes receive light, physics happens and signals get sent to the brain. The brain also gets inputs from the senses and the states (memories), then physics happens and it produces a reaction, I don't see where can we place free will here. Free will has to invoke physical signals in the brain, but where can it possibly come from? Even if the universe isn't determenistic (and it's not just our lack of understanding that makes it seem so), free will implies that there is another force (for a lack of a better word) that does complex social things.

Whereas I don't see a need for free will, machines are capable of gathering outside information, processing it and making decisions without any free will involved, why would megamachines like human brains need it then?

[-] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If everything is so predetermined, why did Netflix allow me to pick who jumps out of the window in Bandersnatch? They could've saved a lot of production costs by just having Stefan jump.

[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think you can actually still access most of the content if that option didn't exist since you can chose not to go to the apartment in the first place.

[-] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Not with the many-worlds theory it isn't

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If we could know the current state of every particle in the universe, we could accurately predict the future.

Physicists already thought of this. The uncertainty principle forbids knowing a particles position and momentum to within a certain accuracy at the same time. Basically, the more you know of one, the less you know of the other. Applied to any two complimentary. variables.

Turns out, it's a fundamental property of wave-particle nature of systems.

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[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is true, especially if we're correct about string theory since all possible outcomes are already determined. Only particles that have chaos can determine which outcome occurs without influence, but even these outcomes are pre-determined as chaos is its own finite variables such as a Boolean outcome of "it could do this or it could do that" regardless of influence.

This is effectively the premise of simulation theory—or very crudely put, the concept of "fate"—and the more we look to nature as inspiration for our own technology, the more we start having philosophical existential crises. It's pretty cool 😄

But don't fret! You and I won't be around anywhere near long enough to see it figured out. Philosophy (and theory) it remains for now. Also, fretting would be theoretically pointless anyway since it was always that way and never in your control of influence to begin with 😳

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who is the "we" that's "correct about string theory", and what is "correct"?

Very few practicing physicists think it has any relevance as a potential description of reality any more. It has led to a lot of interesting math and gotten a lot of people tenure, though, which is tangible.

[-] skulblaka@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I disagree. I see it that Will is the ability of a particle or system of particles to affect change in the universe around it and alter the course of destiny. If we could know the current state of every particle in the universe, we could accurately predict the future, if nothing was then ever acted upon again. But particles possessing Will can alter their environment and effect a ripple of change that could then mean the entire prediction falls apart.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If particles have will; what is "will", where did it come from, how does it work, and what determines it? Will would need to fall into chaos theory with infinite possibilities, meaning it's fundamentally not influenced, there is no pattern, therefore "you" and "me" do not control it, meaning "will" cannot allow itself to exist. The only other outcome would be the concept of a soul, but then what determines that?

[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

Cancer is when they rise up against you, and your human cells stop being a part of a macroscopic animal and begin a new life as a species of human-dna-having single cellular parasites

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 12 points 1 year ago

My cells better fall in line or I will drink a bottle of draino and mutually destroy us all.

[-] sature@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

There’s that whole thing in “Dune” of “he who has the power to destroy a thing, rules that thing.” So yeah, we are in charge, even if we are fairly hands-off managers!

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, so it's my constant suicidal ideations that are why I don't have any real health problems.. It all makes sense now!

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

This is more or less correct. Your brain makes decisions, your conscious mind creates rationalizations for why you did the things you did. The conscious, thinking part of you isn't really in charge at all.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That was a really interesting article, though the implication does seem to be that you do indeed make some decisions longterm but that all decisions in the moment are basically automatic and rationalized later. If I decide that today I'm building a table thats a genuine conscious decision but the building of the table up to and potentially even including its actual design are probably falling back on automatic mechanisms.

Honestly doesn't seem much different from muscle memory, riding a bike starts out as a very concious effort but ends up being automatic, it would make sense that thinking can be subject to a similar mechanism.

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