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[-] Pupschism@lemmy.world 142 points 5 months ago

For those who didn't read the article, the game is already released, it's the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door remake. In the Japanese text of the original gamecube release, Vivian was a trans character. The English localisation of the Gamecube release cut out all references to her being trans.

The article is saying the Switch remake's English translation now contains the cut dialogue that fleshes out Vivians backstory.

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

that's so fugly. gotta love it when stuff gets not lost, but thrown out in translation because some snobby corporate idiotfucker is too condescending to tell you the truth. How many other times has that happened in the last three thousand years, I wonder rhetorically.

[-] GTKashi@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

I'd like to take a moment so sit right there while we discuss most of the history of anime localization.

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[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In the original Japanese translation, Vivian is referred to as an otokonoko (which also can mean just "boy") and the game often uses otoko (man) and otoutou (little brother) to refer to them - so the intention was most likely to paint them more as a crossdresser.
English localisation completely removed all traces of these, just makin Vivian a girl.
And now the remake, for both languages, makes Vivian explicitly trans.

Wouldn't be the first two decades old Japanese game that had to rethink crossdressing/trans characters in their remakes.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 126 points 5 months ago
[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 127 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

End Birdo Trans Erasure!

I remember reading this in my own Super Mario Bros. 2 manual.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Vivian. The game in question is a remake of TTYD. It's not much of a reveal, since the character was trans in the original game, too.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Came in here to say that. Maybe Birdo doesn't count since Mario II wasn't a "real" Mario game?

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 22 points 5 months ago

Birdo is a permanent character in the main roster of characters and Mario 2 is a real Mario game. I will not tolerate all this Bowser propaganda in here.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Even notwithstanding all of the below (several enemies and other aspects of Mario 2 showed up in later Mario games, so we can only suppose its as "real" as any), Yoshi is also a strong contender for being trans. He is consistently referred to as male but cranks out eggs at an assembly-line pace and thus might be biologically female.

But then, so does Birdo. So who the hell knows how dinosaur-things work in Mario's world.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Hence the quotes. It wasn't one in Japan. It was called Doki Doki Panic in Japan and the sprites were altered to Mario characters, but only the playable characters, when it was released in the U.S. later as Super Mario Bros. 2.

[-] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And then it was re-released in Japan with those changes as Super Mario USA, and characters and concepts from it have appeared in subsequent Mario games. So even if it didn't start as a Mario game, it's very much a "real" Mario game, and has been since the 90s.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Mario 2 USA was released in Japan as well. Later, though, in 1992.

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[-] blurryface@lemm.ee 96 points 5 months ago

Will they have a character that goes to jail because he wanted to play old video games?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 79 points 5 months ago

It always had a trans character; they're just going to stop pretending that they're not.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 73 points 5 months ago

I'm sure gAmErS will have a totally reasonable and normal reaction to this.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

I'm sure they won't dox developers and voice actors as usual

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 41 points 5 months ago

It's Zelda. They're putting an end to the age-old mixup once and for all!

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago
[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Link was the princess all along

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[-] Sho@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago

They already have Birdo in the games tho, maybe it's a new character 🤔

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Birdetta. Don't deadname her.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 months ago

Toad, birdo, the shy guys can't all be guys, they must have a hundred trans characters at this point, right?

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[-] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

That's great, but, I mean, it's Mario. How are we supposed to know?

I haven't played Mario in a while. It seems like, given the general art style, in order to make it obvious enough to notice, they'd have to flirt with stereotyping.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 40 points 5 months ago

The Paper Mario games are RPGs, so they're a lot more dialogue-heavy than a normal Mario game. In this instance, the character explains their identity to the player, directly.

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[-] neo@lemy.lol 19 points 5 months ago

Bowsette confirmed!

[-] PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is how Nintendo will get banned in Florida. I hope DeSantis and Ninento sue each other and blow through tons of money on legal fees.

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