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By all means, try to get existing auto manufacturers on board instead. But there needs to be a plan B. Extremely shameful and destructive for the lacks of talks between Canada and China. Tariffs were put on with not even a phone call, as Sulivan met with Trudeau one weekend.
A 50% tariff would allow a trickle of Chinese EVs in and raise revenue without harming domestic production. 25% on cars over $90k would just be competition against only high end mostly European cars, and value there would be good. Revenue raising.
100% is too much. Equivalent to ban. It would be a big boost to agriculture and all of other industry if a Chinese trade deal were to happen, including making the tariffs revenue raisers instead of a ban. And make tariff levels on China part of the negotiation for manufacturers in Canada to commit to Canada, which we are also failing to hear is happening.
You cannot negotiate better deals with US or Europe if you close yourself off form other options. Certainly a key to dealing with US is to break their agriculture sector by outcompeting it on Chinese sales. No defense pact with Philippines is a f'n no brainer. Top 3 stupid Canada moves, easily. Just fucking talk, losers.
Talks between Canada and China have been going on all the time, but China doesn't appear to listen. The government in Beijing ordered Chinese companies to overproduce -EVs and other products- as they think this is the only way to support their troubled economy. They make decisions in complete disregard of anyone else. I don't say tariffs or other protectionist measure are a good thing, but a free competitive market only works if everyone plays according to the rules. China doesn't.
Repeating US complete BS absurdity at China is not talking.
By all means, protecting Canada's auto sector should be plan A, just because so much of our economy is used to it, we sunk investment into it, and manufacturing is important industry, and disruption affects politics, which no matter how corrupt and dysfunctional, and based on all the lies you repeated, but is what it is. Preparing for plan B, should still start now. There is far more than EVs that we can gain from Chinese trade. Mostly selling more of our resources. But manufactured auto parts, is an area where our expertise could grow even higher, and completely outcompete US tarriffed competition. Crossborder shopping from US would allow us to have more retail stores/jobs, and pressure US economy more. Canadian Ag needs new customers now, and again, customers for us is US customers replaced.
Tolerating US propaganda on which countries are more evil than the US, and then fully cooperating with their demonism, makes losing this trade war a 100% certainty. We will only get political gaslighting of resistance as one of "the stages of grief" before we set our submission levels to absolute levels, in a Chuck Schumer moment.
World needs to join the delete America program immediately if it wants to survive. GM/Ford/Stelantis included, where Canada must convince them to keep full production here. Failure from them, must result in exterminating US vehicles from Canadian market. Seizing their (highly subsidized) assets.
Your comments are outright wrong. This is not hateful warmongering, I am offering simple facts. The 5% growth rate in China is most likely wrong. Even one of China's leading economists recently claimed that growth rates in the country are more around 2% (he has since disappeared).
A lot of China's EV manufacturers already went bankrupt or ceased production in recent years due to fierce price wars, but the country has still a huge overcapacity, and we see the same pattern in practically all other industries.
(To use your language: just look at the numbers instead of repeating the Chinese propaganda absurdity.)
They had 350 car manufacturers. Normal to have some of these be losers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampesek/2025/01/17/is-chinas-gdp-growth-only-2-donald-trump-might-want-to-find-out/
This is propaganda heavy. Gemini says source of claim is western "Rhodium Group". https://rhg.com/research/after-the-fall-chinas-economy-in-2025/
That report while still propaganda lets us see through the propaganda with their reasoning.
China has better economic statistics reporting than even US, and claim that they've always been lying is the best shit talk we can come up with.
Rhodium points to not being able to separate government investment/spending from consumer spending in data. Looking at Alibaba sales is distracting if car sales are up 4.5%. Massive Chinese investments in renewable energy deployments, and other infrastructure (military production) can explain the reported GDP growth. Still consistent with lower cement use (investments in non cement using infrastructure). Lower diesel use is the result of their EV success, and LNG conversions of trucking. Rhodium is still expecting 2025 to match CCP expectations.
US GDP includes 11% as "Owner's equivalent rent", a non economic imputation that is higher with higher interest rates. It also includes "underpaid health services" as a GDP addition/boost even though US healthcare is 5 basis% of GDP higher than Canada without that adjustment. Worrying about fake GDP from China is a a favorite loser pastime. But (constant) projections of imminent collapse there are overblown, while the highly contracting austerity measures needed in US to stabilize debt would be depressionary.
Thank you for that heads up to find the link. I can't assure you that there is no reason to doubt Chinese economic numbers. I can assure you that they have the fiscal ammunition to push through any trade wars or other difficulties, that US does not. It is not a basis for going all in on US subserviences vs China cooperation.
Zhu Hengpeng, who worked for a Chinese government thinktank for more than 20 years, disappeared a few months ago after making disparaging remarks on China's economy, including the GDP growth and other metrics. You'll find ample evidence for this.
Thanks for this. If you don't have better sources than Gemini, I end this discussion.
I linked the rhodium group analysis, and addressed it.
Apparently not known what he said to get fired.