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A Boring Dystopia

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Pretty sure they blocked me after I commented, so no screenshot.

The US essentially has no restrictions on what parents can do to their children, or pay to have done to them. These companies will show up at night, and take a child out of their bed at night. They explicitly tell parents not to warn the kid what will happen.

Imagine being woken up in the middle of the night, maybe forced to quickly pack, and then be loaded in a van. You have no idea where you are going or why or who or what is going on. You get taken to a facility which is basically a cult. You might be dumped out in rural Utah, with people that have zero training in wilderness safety, who might punish you by denying you food and water.

Children die in these places all the fucking time. There generally is no state or federal oversight of these facilities - so there aren’t really investigations. These places are havens for child predators.

When I was sexually abused at a similar facility and tried to report it - I was placed on heavy doses of antipsychotics in retaliation. They drugged me unconscious, and then punished me for sleeping during “class.” As an adult, I have involuntary shakes and movements associated with the medical malpractice enacted on me.

These places don’t get investigated, they don’t get shut down. I think Utah is one of the only states with any form of agency that watches over these places. Child protective services won’t go in, health care agencies won’t go in.

Children have no rights in the US. They are the property of their parents, to be disposed of as they wish. And fuckers like this agency are delighted to kidnap children that their parents can’t be assed to parent.

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[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 136 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Guess it’s time to share this again.

GET YOUR FEELINGS OUT

[–] hzl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The energy tied up in all of that is so familiar. Just the entire vibe of senseless unmitigated cruelty and mindless nonsensical screaming hits so hard and reminds me so much of some of the shittiest people I've encountered in my life. What Joe describes feels like a horrible distillation of something that's a lot more pervasive than any one 'school' or cult or particular group of organized assholes systematically ruining people's lives. It hit hard. Thanks for sharing it.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’ve only been able to make it to page 10. People often mock the idea of being “triggered” but fuck, it makes me need my trazadone. I want to print this in full color and leave it everywhere I can.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Apologies for contributing to that feeling, definitely wasn’t my intention to upset you!

For those who haven’t read it and are unfamiliar with the horrific teen abuse industry this comic depicts, it’s quite a fucking journey.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s great - I actually shared it as one of the links in my post. People do need to know what these places look like, and that visceral reaction I have to it hopefully means that it inspires others.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago

Oh lol missed it my bad! Thought I checked your links

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't judge yourself for a ptsd reaction. People mocked triggers, but it was people who don't understand that acute reminders of traumatic experiences are not merely unpleasant

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah - I wish more folks understood what the experience is like. It’s like my brain lights on fire. I get angry, extremely angry and can be verbally really aggressive. If I’m alone, I can usually self regulate, but when I’m around others it’s much harder.

It’s been a struggle as I work to get this facility shut down. When I’m calling state agencies to get my torturer’s facility investigated, the second that I can pick up that they don’t believe, or if they minimize my experience - it ratchets me into a world of pure anger and panic.

I knocked over a container earlier and it made a loud sound as it landed on the ground - it made me angry. Embarrassingly ridiculously angry. It’s stupid, but I had the urge to throw the thing at the wall! I wanted to cuss it out! It’s an inanimate object, it didn’t break, I just needed to pick it up and put the pencils back in. It wasn’t a big deal. But in that split second where I went to that lizard brain, I was furious!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Have you ever been to a support group for this? What you're describing is a pretty severe ptsd reaction. I know you said elsewhere that you've done a lot of mental health stuff and it's not helped and has been furtherly traumatic, but having other people who can listen and you can know that they do understand might be good for you.

[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing this. Probably one of the hardest reads of my life, it's incredibly powerful and well written so it conveys the horrors of the experience in an almost visceral way.

It also really helped me understand at a much more personal level how these addiction/reeducation camps and cults break people mentally and emotionally.

Sure, you read about these kinds of things happening in the news, but it never hit home for me what that experience is like until reading this.

Thank you.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Someone online showed it to me, so I’m glad to share it with other people now. Fucking insane shit. You can bet I’m always looking out for red flags on my friends as their kids get older, in case they fall into one of these traps.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I made it to chapter 60 over the last 90 minutes.

I can’t even describe how angry I feel about that. Expletives don’t fit. I’m not big on death penalty, but I think these people deserve it - more than some who are sentenced to death.

I also am feeling incredibly grateful that my parents didn’t get caught up in the scam.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

It a truly harrowing experience

[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I just spent a couple hours reading the first 70 chapters. That is hard to read and impossible to stop reading.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

wtf

is this real? I didn't read past whenvhe was given anti lice to shower, but can you tell me : are yhe parents responsible for this ?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The parents often truly do not understand how bad these camps are and are often deceived by the institutions themselves. Part of the strategy is to make the treatment so outlandish and to use such strange terminology that the kids can’t properly communicate the abuse without sounding insane. Then they keep telling the parents “no matter what don’t listen to them. They will lie to get out of this. They need to finish it, to see it through, or they will end up in juvie on worse.”

It’s horrific

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker, this makes no sense to me.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When your kid has behavioral issues that start spiraling out of control, it can put a ton of strain on you and your family, especially if there isn’t a mental health diagnosis (often ignored and even then not a given!). It canbecome all consuming. You can’t send them to hang out with friends, you can’t send them to school, you can’t do anything without them likely lashing out or otherwise causing issues that disrupt everyone's life constantly. That does not mean the kid is doing something wrong, the reality is just that it can be incredibly difficult to deal with day in and day out for.

At some point you’ll look for anyone that says “I can fix this. We can teach your kids what they need to learn.”

[–] undeffeined@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Thank you for taking the time to write that. I can understand those circumstances, what I can't wrap my head around is the methods described. Children need acceptance and love, on top of discipline; not punishement.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

American culture fetishizes "tough love" often at the expense of empathy. Its why our culture bounces between "beat children and make them work" and "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". These institutions peddle the idea that parents are too soft on bad kids and since it fits our cultural narratives parents and judges often fall for it. This leads to overcorrection ("just talk it through with kids without punishment or consequences") that reinforces the narrative.

There's also this idea that teenagers arent really people with rights yet. Like, its insane to me that one can force a 16 year old into such a place against their will. They aren't adults yet, but they're close and deserve basic rights. But we have a strong cultural feeling of pater potestas when it comes to underage people.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

That’s the other twisted side of all of this. Most of the time, it’s parents who think they are doing what is best for theirchildren. They truly want them to be happy and are just doing the best they can. These horrible organizations suck up their money and prey on their hope

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But don't the kids who finish take revenge on the institutes a couple of years later when they are adults and realize how fucked up it is?

I mean, at least sue them or something? It said it existed 40 years.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

Same reason victims of sexual assault struggle to go after the perpetrators.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

The kids who get out usually are not in a shape to fight back either mentally or financially and society looks down on them.

The best attempt was Paris Hilton.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are so fucked up when they leave that they don’t have the capacity to do much.

And even so, the institutions are protected. The people who get out “have a track record”.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

They also close down and rename all the time for exactly this reason. It makes it awfully hard to do anything when the court records say We Fuck Up Your Kid LLC hasn't existed for 3 years. There's also often layers of legal shells that need to be peeled away too - a lot of them hire teens and young adults partly because they don't know the law and are easy to throw under the bus when someone DOES die, and they're easy to threaten into silence. That also doesn't get into the complicity of local LEOs, town and state governments, and just outright lying - my former boyfriend wound up in one before he killed himself, and to everyone on the outside, they were just told it was a mental hospital for teens, thus, anything they told you was a lie.*

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Wait I don't recognize that. Fuck, it's longer and I'm gonna have to read it again

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh my god he became a drug kingpin

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ive been reading this for about 5-6 hours, it's been worth it

[–] ladel@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is so engrossing. I've made it to chapter 77 while "working". What a story.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

For real it’s really hard to stop reading