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So strange that you would make this comment on an article that perfectly exemplifies why we don't let children walk around with guns.
This same person told me in another thread that the reason guns should be legal in the U.S. is protection against bears and mountain lions- which almost never attack anyone. Like less than 100 times in the last 50 years combined. They can't even come up with a good argument for adults to have guns.
Speak for yourself, I get viciously mauled by a mountain lion every time I go grocery shopping.
Maybe you are just hot and attracting a lot of cougars.
Honestly it doesn't really matter. The second amendment does exist, so some arms in the hands of the populace will be allowed unless we amend our constitution.
That said, we can draw lines based around what kinds of weapons. And something like a bolt action rifle or pump shotgun can be excellent for hunting, but very difficult to conceal or commit any kind of mass shooting with.
It's semi-autos that are specifically capable of high rates of fire and quick reloads, and that become dangerous. We can regulate some of those arms the same way we regulate access to tanks, jets, nukes and chemical/biological arms.
As a longtime SAR guy --I'm in my 50s-- I always tell people to carry a gun in the backcountry if that's what makes them feel safe, but just know that you're far far far more likely to get in trouble from things like weather, terrain, rivers, meltwater, falling, exposure, hypothermia and just the elements in general than you are from any animal. The risk profiles aren't even remotely close. This is true even in places like Alaska where almost everyone is armed. As far as I'm concerned, a gun is dead weight. Lose it and concentrate instead on carrying the ten essentials and knowing how to use them
I like your writing style and approach. If you published a book on this topic, I would likely read it.
Used to have to shoot cottonmouths and copperheads all the time when I lived out in the country. We were too far from a hospital to chance it with poisonous snakes. Glad we moved
Which is a valid argument because people out in the country can get bitten by snakes and be too far from a hospital. The only time he mentioned poisonous snakes was when he said people need guns to protect themselves from rattlesnakes in Dallas.
I have killed plenty of snakes in my life and never once thought a gun would be useful for that task.
Snake/rat shot is designed for this task. Basically small shotgun pellets in a handgun cartridge. I'd think it a rather small target to aim a regular bullet at.
Hunting
Yes, that would definitely be one of the many, many better arguments for guns than 'protection against bears and mountain lions.'
Even then, though, you don't need pistols for hunting.
I do know of people who hunt with handguns, but it is definitely rarer. I honestly don't have any issues with hunting if you eat what you hunt. If you just do it to massacre an animal and just leave it where you killed it, fuck you, but I have no issue with responsible hunting practices.
That said, it's my understanding that bow hunting is the fastest, and thus most painless way of killing an animal.
That is completely False.
I have shells that will cause a 3 to 4 inch cavitation hole when they hit something causing a large amount of damage and blood loss that will kill with any hit in the chest area.
With a bow, even if you hit the heart it will still take time, especially if you miss and then it is bleeding, suffering, and you have to track it.
At top skill in both I would say it is a tie in that both have the potential to kill instantly, a bow is more likely to harm than kill at lower skill levels though.
Fair enough. I'm not a hunter. That's just something I've been told before.
.357 mag will kill a deer
Yes but you'd struggle to get close enough to make a reliably good shot. Ranged shots are what rifles are for.
Most of the things I’ve shot in my life with the rifle I was close enough I could’ve done it with a pistol.
We hunt in forests around here not plains.
Pistol shooting practice is typically done at no more than 25 yards, while hunting rifles can more comfortably do a longer range. Sure, you can hit with a pistol at similar ranges (especially with a larger caliber as you propose) but rifles are better for controlling the recoil and typically more accurate. If the goal is to actually hit, and in particular kill painlessly, a rifle is the better tool.
I think the farthest shot I have had was maybe 35 yards.
You basically find a good trail and put up a blind or stand near it.
We have to cut our own firing lanes so short distances are much preferred. Lol
Tbf I carry a rifle any time I go in the woods damn near.
I love nature but am terrified of bears and I want a big firecracker, if it comes down to trying to use it on a bear that wants to fight I am probably already fucked and I know that.
If it makes you feel more secure, I won't judge you, but you should know that-
https://blog.batchgeo.com/bear-attack-statistics/
In contrast-
https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/1975/CPSC-Releases-New-Study-On-Bathtub-And-Shower-Injuries
Oh I recognize that it is completely irrational.
It is just a childhood fear that I can’t beat.
Fair enough. Like I say, I'm not judging you. If that's what you need to feel secure, that's what you need to feel secure.
I don’t mean it that way, I was just acknowledging that I know it doesn’t make sense. lol
Statistics like this are bunk. If I'm camping in the forest my chances of having a bad encounter with a bear are astronomically higher than drowning in a bathtub. Context is everything when it comes to your specific risk profile.
Except your chances of having a bad encounter with a bear are almost zero. Because bears almost never attack humans. Which is the point.
An activity where you would definitely supervise the child, not send them off on their own on a bus.
Dawg there are so many ways to hunt that don't involve a bang.
Hey man, not cool to talk about my dating experience that way.
I know, I own those too.
My bow may be twenty years old but it kills just as good now as then.
Manlier ways to hunt. That's how you get to them. Guns are for sissies, bows are for real men.
I have both and they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
I prefer my rifle because it has a much much higher chance of a clean quick kill.
Personally if you are willing to let an animal suffer more to be more “manly” you were never manly at all.
I don't do either. I'm primarily vegetarian because I know I wouldn't want to kill an animal irl so I just generally avoid meat all together.