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They could have fitted the whole ring / tape / mouse assembly into a small paper bag Aragorn could have kept it in his jacket and fed it little bits of lembas on the way how lovely x

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[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 189 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sam did bear the weight of the ring, its hard to convey in the movie but the book makes it clear. Sam just had an iron will.

[-] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago

AND he hadn't already been carrying the ring the whole fucking way like Frodo did!

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

It's both an iron will and a life goal that isn't really susceptible to corruption. The ring takes the thing you want most and connects itself to that in your mind, twisting your goals to accomplish what it wants.

I'm not really certain what value being temporarily invisible has when all you want to do is garden. Hell, I don't even think a giant army or conquering the whole world would help either. Just means a more overwhelming garden, which defeats the point.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean that's the reason Hobbits in general can withstand the Ring longer than any other race of Middle Earth. They just want a quiet life without any fuss and that's pretty much the opposite of what the Ring can promise them.

Ring: I can make you rich!

Hobbit: Eh, than my cousins will pester me all day.

Ring: I can make you strong!

Hobbit: What for? I have an ox for that.

Ring: I can make you king of all!

Hobbit: That's even worse than rich!

Ring: Exasperated sigh

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

Ring: Fine! I can give you third breakfast!

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

But I'm busy eating elevenses right now! Maybe we can have third breakfast tomorrow?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 45 points 1 year ago

He was really just sick and fucking tired of the Lembas bread that much.

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Really the whole story of Sam could be boiled down to drive of a man who really wanted to get back to a life of a good women and great food.

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago
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[-] s_s@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Sam is the main character in the book

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[-] vankappa@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago

no it's cause Sam was a fucking saint

[-] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago

This is my headcanon and I cannot be convinced otherwise.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah sam is the true king imo 👑

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[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 100 points 1 year ago

I thought Sam did put on the ring in the books.

It also affected Boromir just being around it.

Didn't Smeagol kill a friend just to have it before even wearing it?

[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 100 points 1 year ago

Yes. Basically, Sam was practically only one in the Fellowship who could resist the temptations of The Ring, because he had really simple desires.

[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I dunno... he didn't have it for very long in the films, then hesitated when Frodo asked for it back. He resisted the ring, but it still affected him a little bit.

[-] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

It was more a concern for Frodo as Frodo was desperatefor the ring at the time.

In the book it shows you how the ring attempted to corrupt him and he kind of went "meh" at it.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

How did the ring attempt to corrupt ol’ Samwise?

[-] hakase@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

Here's my answer from the last time this came up (which might as well have been yesterday from how often people unfairly lionize Sam and shit on Frodo):

“As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor…”

"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur… He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "

"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command."

Sam was tempted, and if he possessed the ring long enough he would have been overcome like any other, but his Hobbit-sense saved him in that one small moment, when he had held the ring but a short while.

[-] Doug@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago

We can read the same words and take something different from them. That reads to me like he was able to pretty easily dismiss the temptation. Maybe he would've been tempted like Boromir was, maybe he would've had the resolve of Frodo, maybe he could've held it for much longer like Bilbo.

His Hobbit-sense saved him there. The only one who can tell us with certainly where it lies in relation to Frodo is no longer able to.

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[-] RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

I forget the exact wording, but the Ring essentially showed Sam visions of being some sort of a supreme gardener king. Sam dismissed that as fucking stupid, because he just wants a simple garden.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago

The mouse definitely would have escaped and ran straight to Sauron.

[-] CeruleanRuin 27 points 1 year ago

Yep. This particular configuration only works because of Sam's devotion to Frodo.

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[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

That, or Boromir would FUCK THAT MOUSE UP and take the ring for himself

The ring can obviously influence people around the ringbearer and not just the ringbearer themselves, as seen by Boromir and Faramir being tempted by it and Smeagle killing his friend for it.

Hobbits are just very good natured and resistant to the evil influence of the ring, especially Sam it seems

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Now I'm picturing Boromir cornering the mouse, drawing his sword, and stating "thou hast squeaked thy last squeak" as the mouse runs back and forth in the corner, trying to escape.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing. Such a little thing.

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[-] corship@feddit.de 58 points 1 year ago

Sam just had the strength to resist the ring.

He didn't crave for power, but only for food and peace.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Yes, but through that mouse, the ring would wield a power too squeak and scratch to imagine.

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[-] Rastenor@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Consider this: Frodo is the mouse

[-] Muun@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Yup. As a maiar, this is basically what Gandalf did.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

I'm sure an invisible mouse with an evil, human-level intelligence in its head and a total commitment to do the latter's bidding would have gone much better than what happened

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was magic ring ever explained on a technical level? I thought all we know is it wants to be with sauron and it makes angels shit themselves.

For all we know putting it on a mouse gives everyone mouse nightmares and make them worship the mouse as mouse king before they take it straight to sauron.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 20 points 1 year ago

Do you not have the Official Middle Earth Technical Manual?

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

But that mouse would have become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

And would sing 🎵 HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! 🎵

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[-] PZK@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This would create quite an evil mouse. I imagine the risk here is that the mouse would break free and run away with the ring and bring it to Sauron.

Edit: Someone already beat me to it.

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago
[-] soupspoon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The mouse would have chewed through the pocket and run away as soon as it could

[-] FuntyMcCraiger@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Or possibly climb the nearest thing to get eaten by a bird, kinda like what Frodo did with the nazgul.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They should have laid a long garden hose all the way to mt doom and pushed the ring though it with a bicycle pump

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[-] MechKit@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

No, just proves Sam is the real hero of the story.

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[-] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. There could have been a thousand things that could of happened and then we wouldn't have had this book, or the trilogy, or the landscape of modern day fantasy as we know it.

[-] waybreadenthusiast@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago
[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Impressive that he got it correct and incorrect in the same sentence.

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Until the mouse kills all of them.

[-] slugo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

The ring shrinks down to fit the mouse sized knuckle. After disappearing, the mouse would have hopped on on of those massive eagles and flown away from the volcano.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

This is the LOTR equivalent of berdly-actually "ACTUALLY the transporter can do almost anything in Star Trek and should be used constantly to solve every problem and renders every other technology on the show obsolete, including the spaceships themselves" and it is only cute in very small doses.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The original was "why didn't the eagles fly to mordor and drop the ring in the top of the volcano" which was funnier the first time than the thousandth time. You're right that these witty workarounds are only funny the first time and tire quickly.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Gollum would've jumped into the fires with the mouse and that wouldn't be ok.

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