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I came across this box set and it's really messing me up for a lot of reasons (it is marked TOS despite having characters from all over the place, and for some mistaken reason Gul Dukat is included) but what I really wanted to talk about was Q's inclusion.

Do people usually consider him a villain?

I suppose he has done a lot of things that would be considered antagonistic, with a big one getting a number of Enterprise crew members killed in the first encounter with the Borg, but that seems, at least from his point of view a tough love moment. In the long term, Q did seem to have the survival of humanity as a goal. His judgment of humans was pompous but not villainous.

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[-] hallettj@leminal.space 42 points 1 month ago

In the episode where he wore that outfit he held the Enterprise hostage, froze two crew members, and threatened to wipe out humanity.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Nah. I think they aimed for antagonist but he was so cool that he became a grey area shit disturber and we are all better for it.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Using the term antagonist is the foremost point of order. Did he introduce the Federation to one of its most formidable foes? Yes. Did that interaction result in the deaths of 18 crewmembers? Yes. But for the sake of making aware and preparing Starfleet for the hardships to come, it appears to have been of use. Not about to excuse the means to an end argument, though. Q has insider knowledge of potential outcomes and is known to be a meddlesome force (Quint not withstanding). Do his actions then and later justify his intervention?

[-] thejoker954@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

His actions led to more then the death of 18 crew members.

The borg were off doing their own thing. And only doing sneaky raids occasionally.

Q's meddling led to them getting a hard on for starfleet and as a result caused at least hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Would it have happened eventually - yes, but Starfleet may have been more prepared and been able to prevent some of the deaths/assimilation.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Or maybe without this interaction the Federation would have been taken by surprise and wiped. Maybe Q killed aimlessly just for his own pleasure, or Q saved the Federation, and we will never know.

[-] femtech@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

Q could have stopped the Borg as well, so they will always be a villain just like all the other beings of power that do nothing.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Does that make the Federation villains because of the Prime Directive?

[-] femtech@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

If they have Omnipotence and know the future, yes. I understand their prime directive but don't agree with it but I wouldn't call them villains. More of a bureaucratic issue to prevent meddling in other civilisations. I think in real life the federation would try to help everyone and get them to join the federation and take some of their resources to fight the Borg and others that are against them.

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

To be omnipotent and knowing the future don't make you know better than others to separate good from evil. Is it right to save a civilization if to do that you have to destroy an other?

[-] femtech@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

You would have to keep helping so the 1st civilization does not stomp out the 2nd.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Q is omnipotent, or so he claims. He's certainly omnipotent to do things like give the Federation a complete writeup on The Borg a full and realistic simulation of what it is like to go up against them and how they can be countered without killing a single person.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The word you're looking for is trickster.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

The Gorn is less of a villain than Q.

[-] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I can't help but feel offended by some of those poses. Q hunching, the Borg queen running, Khan doing whatever he's doing with his left hand...

[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Quite literally yes.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Who is the guy to the far right? Looks like Hugh the Borg but from the Picard series.

[-] grozzle@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Lore, from "Descent".

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago

You're right, that does look like Lore. Thanks!

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It's Lore. He is dressed like in the episode where he has a small Borg following. It's a weird box.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Depends on his mood lol

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