Why have you convinced yourself that you have nothing and that you need to be in a relationship to have something?
Thing is, that a relationship can be very fulfilling, this is true.
But thinking, that being in a relationship will fix a bad view on life or problems, the relationship will suffer.
Relationship is work. And often very painful work, because you have to step over your shadow and accept, that some of your deeply treasured perspectives (that protected you in times of pain) are now just wrong and destroy said relationship
So starting to work on yourself and being content with yourself is always the first step. Else the relationship will be even harder to work through those issues
At least that was my experience
But yeah, having someone to love is great and having someone to love you is nice.
As a fairly attractive person who also suffers from depression. It really doesn't matter. I can find so many reasons why other people don't like me. So many reasons why my actions are ultimately pointless and worthless. And that's the thing, when I'm depressed I think I'm ugly. Don't take my word for it, think of all the Hollywood stars that have or do suffer from depression.
I don't think it matters what you have. Depression can make a shit sandwich out of any situation. But once you work through it and become fun to be around things change. Even if you're only fun for yourself to be around, that's one more person who likes you.
I've just looked at your post history and it seems we have a lot in common, I've been out of work, have depression, feel incredible lonely at times. I spent my life on the other hand chasing relationships, sex, none of it solved my issues because my issues are deeper than that. Yours probably are too and my advice is to find what it is you need and the rest will full in to place.
Good luck out there comrade.
First, you must love yourself. Then, love others - family, friends, or strangers. Expect nothing in return. If you can get over those two hurdles, it will be a lot easier to be loved.
Imagine if you hated tofu. But you wanted to convince others to love tofu. Maybe you’re a door to door tofu salesman. Only a gifted con artists can make that sale. In this example you are tofu.
In every relationship, from professional to familial to romantic, you must constantly give more than you get. Most of what you give will be taken for granted. But you’ll notice who appreciates you, and they will get more of your time and effort.
Anyway it’s not that great being loved. It’s a burden in some ways, because of how carefully that burden must be carried. You must act in service to those who love you. Love can be suffocating, and blinding. Many people forgo their own health in service to those who love them. It’s a difficult balance. But for evolutionary reasons, it feels like it’s “enough” in life to be loved. And that peace is hard to find through other means.
There’s a freedom that comes with loneliness. You can travel and explore. You can take much bigger risks. You can make foolish and selfish decisions.
This has always been such an completely and totally offensive rhetoric imo. The notion that one has to be perfect before they are even allowed to have a relationship is absolutely ridiculous and untrue. Do you know what helps things like self esteem and self love? Having a support network which includes having a caring and considerate partner. Expecting people to magically heal themselves in isolation is absolutely ridiculous and unhelpful. Every human being is flawed in some way. It's ok to seek connection while having flaws. Literally everyone is flawed and most people don't wait until they are the perfect specimen of a human being to look for connections with someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone should.
Edit: I am not trying to say that a partner will magically fix anyone. And I agree it's good to be comfortable with yourself whether or not you have a partner. But I can't stand when people repeat ad nauseum the bullshit that is telling people that they have to fix themselves before they are allowed to make human connections. It's honestly damaging.
I never said anything about perfect or flawless; nobody is. Loving yourself is warm-up for loving others. You need to practice patience and forgiveness. You need to accept the person (or self) as they are, but also support them in their own journey for self improvement. If you don’t have the patience and hope for yourself, you should not expect to have that compassion for others.
The only love you get for free is from your parents, and not all parents even give it so freely.
Anyway I don’t consider this advice to be rhetoric. I’m not arguing for anything or selling anything. I’m just trying to share my experience with love. It’s not an easy thing to understand. You are free to ignore anything you don’t think is true.
Who do you admire in the world? What are the qualities in them you admire? What prevents you from possessing those qualities? If you admire that somebody would join a circus, practice juggling. If you admire those who are generous with their time or money, be more generous. You will eventually find you are the person you admire, if you work toward it.
Yes, you do have to fix yourself before you can create stable interpersonal relationships, because what happens is that you can end up bringing some of that negative energy into whatever relationship you find yourself in, creating a burden for those around you.
This could then lead to a negative feedback loop where you lose your friends/partner, and end up hating yourself more.
If no one's going to love you, you might as well love yourself.
The grass always looks greener in the neighbors yard.
Being desired is OK. Having sex is OK. Feeling deeply understood is unmatched.
I was in a 12 year relationship and I didn't feel that. I am in a new 1 year relationship and I don't feel that. Do I appreciate my partner? Yes. Am I attracted to them? Yes. But I crave to be understood.
I'm missing something naturally primordial though. This isn't the same as "oh I don't have the most current iPhone" being with someone is something that more of less happens to "everyone"
All I can say is try be your best self. Try respect and love yourself. Try live up to your own standards and try to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. That kind of energy is attractive. Don't fuss with people who couldn't give a damn about you.
Hi!
I understand that you're feeling frustrated, but it's important to consider that there are so many great things in life other than sex and reproduction. You're not a failure, you're still young, and there's so many great things to see, learn, and do! There are even people who choose not to have sex, get into a romantic relationship, or have kids, and they're capable of living happy lives. Your purpose in life is whatever you want it to be.
There's over 8 billion people on this planet, and finding someone who loves you for you is just a matter of when, not if. For now, I'd think about why you feel the need to put yourself down this much. What makes you think that you have literally nothing in your life, and what would make you reconsider that thought? Do you really feel that you have nothing and you need to be in a relationship with someone to have something, or is it something that others have pressured you into believing?
People don't have access to the 8 billion human beings. So that logic makes no sense. I have NOTHING. Barely work, still live with my mother, can't drive, don't have savings or money, I don't have the skills to attract people, I have nothing.
I didn't choose anything though. I'm cursed with a sexless and cold life.
I never said they do, but with how many people there are, it's pretty much inevitable that you'll find someone who is into you and loves you for you. What's wrong with living with family? I think it's a good thing for family to stick together.
You say you can't drive. What's preventing you from learning? As for work, have you tried getting a mentor? Mentors can be free or they can be paid, but they can help put you on a career path that suits you, and provide feedback and guidance. They can help you achieve what goal(s) you have set in mind and to become the best version of yourself.
Read OP's history. While they likely are suffering, they aren't looking to change. Post after post, they just shoot down all the well-meaning attempts to help. Save your efforts
Good point. I just spotted the name. I should stop engaging.
Do you sometimes feel like you were born on the wrong planet?
Wrong side of the world and generation.
Yeah it's a though situation to be in. And at every corner they're shouting YOU ARE WRONG.
Thank you, very helpfull 🙄
I've seen a couple of your posts before and I wonder if working in customer service, maybe just as a cashier at a convenience store might help you. Its mindless, menial work but it allows for short interactions with a lot of people. You get to see your community in a different light and meet people you wouldn't otherwise. Maybe eventually you will find your voice and gain the confidence and a few friends that will help you network into better situations. Maybe going to the gym would also help, getting proper cardio and strength training did a lot for my mood and physical self esteem. Also, you are only 35, you will be young-ish for at least another decade if you take care of yourself.
Also, you appear to live in Europe, why not save your money for a train trip to Amsterdam if never being with someone sexually is causing you so much frustration? I'm sure at least some of those workers have experience with people like yourself and would be patient enough to try to help, maybe chat about it too. Honestly just talking openly with someone like that about your situation, someone whose job it is to approach someone intimately might help. This is probably a terrible idea but it is an option, if you feel like you don't have others it might be worth considering.
Loneliness and depression play tricks on you, keep your eyes open for possibilities and a year from now your outlook could be very different.
Do you want to change? Do you wish you wanted to change?
yes or no?
If you answered yes to any of those questions than there is still hope for you. There is A LOT of good willing people that want to help you. There are a lot of resources that you can use but you aren't aware of.
If you answered no then no one can help you.
There is A LOT of good willing people that want to help you. There are a lot of resources that you can use but you aren't aware of.
People are so very confidently telling everyone this.
Where I live, you really would think that's the case. But for years, nothing. Even my own family is distant af, as if they didn't understand the concept of depression. See it makes them uncomfortable that I'm not my usual happy self, so obviously that's very rude of me.
I was also tossed out of an ER when I literally told an on-call psychiatrist I was afraid of hurting myself or others. And I meant it. It was after a very traumatic event I was genuinely so broken with nowhere to go and no-one to turn to. He got a guard to escort me out. Then I called my local free crisis hotline. They told me I'm not having a crisis and hung up.
Last time I asked an opinion about the shit healthcare I'm getting from my brother, he waived it off and now hasn't contacted me for three weeks.
It took a lot of fighting with the healthcare here, but I finally did manage to get a therapist, and I specifically looked for someone who's not from the same country and didn't grow up in this emotionally stunted culture. So that's one positive thing. But one hour a week isn't much, and it's only for a few years I get it.
So while I appreciate the sentiment and probably for most people these resources actually work to at least some extent, they do not work for everyone. So assuming something that might be incorrect and very triggering is something I'd advice to try and avoid if at all possible.
tossed out of an ER
I can relate. That was horrible experience for me and only by intervention of my best friend I am still here.
finally did manage to get a therapist, […] So that's one positive thing
This is HUGE sucess. Congrats! And stick with it for at least couple of months.
Your mind is playing tricks on you where you toss out a possible solutions outright due to buried emotions.
There are a lot of different types of reaources and some work and some don't.
Different types of Therapy (CBT, EMDR, etc.), group therapy, books and lectures, long hikes, pilgrimages, d&d, meditation, Alcoholics Anonymous, hitting the gym, temp work agency and even more esoteric ones that I don't reccomend without trying more normal ones. They all are tools that may not work for you but there exists the tool that will work. The difficulty is in finding one that somewhat works and not giving up half way.
Yeah therapy helps, but there's clearly an underlying physical issue that I've been trying to figure out for more than 20 years.
But since in my twenties I mentioned weed helping with the symptoms, I've since not been listened to at all, treated as a full on drug addict and every single symptom I have had have been thought to be psychosomatic.
I've evidence to the contrary. Supported by surgery scars, doctor's statements (from when the doctors actually listened to me when I was younger) and I even quote peer reviewed research from credible medical journals.
But no. Just treat me like a psychotic junkie. And if I challenge them in any of that, it just confirms their "suspicions".
I'd just need a couple of grand to waste on private doctors, but I don't have a couple of grand extra.
So if what I had was purely psychogenic, yes, you'd be totally right. But if what I have is depression because of my underlying chronic illness going undiagnosed because of inept and unwilling healthcare, then therapy might alleviate the symptoms, but it's not gonna make it go away completely.
My mental health isn't 100%, but my biggest problem at the moment is Finnish bureaucracy, to which shit healthcare is very much intertwined with.
Edit oh and it didn't take me years to go to therapy because I was unwilling, it's because the healthcare said I didn't need any.
I don't know everything about companionship, but I know when it comes to finding it, you have to try smarter, not harder. I can't emphasize how often I've spoken to someone who was in the process of looking for that who were sticks-in-the-mud. If you go into the game thinking of it in terms of a destination with no unique strategy, would you expect you would stand out?
Air, is this the guy that makes a bunch of posts about “I’m unlovable and sad” and then when people try to offer advice or encouragement he always shoots back with some obnoxious bullshit about how they’re wrong and he’s too hopeless?
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