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Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”

“The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.

The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.

The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format

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[-] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 184 points 11 months ago

While the Demographia report found Gaza City isn’t as packed as the world’s most dense cities, including Dhaka, Bangladesh, which has over 80,000 people per square mile, it’s more crowded than global cities, such as London, and three times more dense than Los Angeles, the most population-dense area in the US, according to the report.

CNN

They’re telling 1.1 Million people to move in 24hours in an area more dense than LA or London. In an area without power, fuel, or food.

[-] Veltoss@lemmy.world 133 points 11 months ago

They know it can't be done and they don't care. The rhetoric coming out of their government is pure genocide talk. One of the military guys got furious that anyone cared about Palestinian civilians.

I hope the US doesn't support this or stay silent. We need to have the balls to stand up to allies when they're in the wrong. The world said "not again" to the holocaust and now regularly looks the other way, and it's time countries stop letting this shit happen.

[-] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 11 months ago

You know the US won’t. The gov’t is too far up it’s own ass and only sees numbers. Israel is profitable to us, and money is the only thing anyone in power gives a shit about. They don’t care that we’re dealing with terrorists, as long as the terrorists make them money.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

Never again! Except for Tibetans, Uyghurs, First Nations in boarding schools/their forced sterilization, the Khmer Rouge, Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, North Korea, Rwanda, all the genocides by the Soviets, Bosnia...

Hundreds of millions of lives ended prematurely...

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah so uh… a bunch of people are gonna die in 24h :(

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 90 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Someone needs to stop these vile fucks. Israel is going to kill millions if left unopposed.

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[-] Astrealix@lemmy.world 88 points 11 months ago

Time for a genocide. And no one's going to stop them. Fucking hell.

Some of my friends have suggested that there might not be a Gaza to fight for independence for in a few years. I didn't believe them, but now it definitely looks more possible...

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

Disgusting. These people had nothing to do with the attack. The actions of a few do not justify the wholesale slaughter of a nation.

[-] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

Imagine if some proud boys from the US were attacking Canadian civilians, after Canada has been occasionally striking the US and being quite excessive in its use of force.

Then one day Mexico warns Canada that the proud boys might strike this location this week, so Canada pulls its security and guards, the proud boys attack, Canada loudly yells to everyone in the world "OH NO CANADA IS ATTACKING ME DO YOU GUYS SEE THIS SHIT?"

And then Canada proceeds to bomb the absolute fuck out of EVERY city within 10 miles of the border. And then the refugees that are leaving the cities. And then telling them "hey we promise we won't bomb you if you go this route" and then bomb that route. And sends troops into refugee camps in order to decide who is suddenly a proud boy...

The world, as usual when it comes to Israel though, completely loses its minds.

It's like everyone is so afraid of being seen as a nazi, they won't aim even the tiniest criticism toward a government/military. It strikes me as profoundly racist to conflate every Jewish person with the government of Israel, or that somehow Israel represents all jews. Imagine if I suggested Kenya speaks for all black people...

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 11 months ago

It’s like everyone is so afraid of being seen as a nazi

You got it backwards. It's not that they are afraid, it's that every Nazi thing you do becomes unimportant if you support Israel and yell "look, I'm not a Nazi, because I support Israel".

That's a huge, huge stimulus for support. Now if you've done Nazi things, Israel is your salvation. And if you haven't done Nazi things cause you're afraid, just get friendly with Israel.

They are basically selling modern day's indulgences.

And Israel, of course, endorses that via its puppet diasporan organizations and their moves like "anything but Holocaust is not a genocide, and if you don't agree, you're a Nazi" or "you can't be Nazi if you're Jewish" and, of course, "if you don't support Israel, you are not Jewish".

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[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 68 points 11 months ago

Friendly reminder that Israel doesn't really mind bombing "safe routes"

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 58 points 11 months ago

Last 3 times they told people to move they bombed the destination. I'd stay put

[-] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Almost like they're concentrating them in some sort of encampment

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

It's almost like they've created some type of giant penal colony or ghetto. Keeping people imprisoned in large quantities because of their ethnicity, now I see why America supports Israel. They should get them to do shitty jobs for pennies on the dollar while their in there. Remember it's not slavery if it's inside of a prison.

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[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 56 points 11 months ago

What would be the point of this from a non fucked up standpoint? It's not like that would help them get the fuckers who did this. All I can see is that they want to destroy everything if Palestinians somehow could completely comply. The fact that they can't just means Israel wants to kill a bunch of people who are unable to get out.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Israel warned them though. So it's totally fine if they commit genocide.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Based on social media the last week. Your comment isn't obviously sarcastic any more. It's just sad how horrible people are. And so many.

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[-] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

Destroy the houses and then take the land. They are speeding up what they have already done since the beginning.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 11 months ago

There was a video called something like "IDF destroys Hamas commando's house"

This building was 12 floors. Nobody can convince me some random-ass Hamas grunt owned all that.

Seems it's OK to kill dozens of families as long as you do it from two miles up. This is just revenge.

By the end of next week I doubt Gaza city will even exist.

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[-] Nighed@sffa.community 53 points 11 months ago

The cynic in me says that Israel will now say that anyone left is a legit target/Hamas supporter, even though it's completely infeasible for most of the population to get out in time.

Then after a huge number of deaths, once they control northern Gasa, they will say (because of continuing Hamas attacks) that it's not safe to return. (But mysteriously is for Israeli settlers)

This only makes the Palestinians less likely to leave ....

It's going to be a bloodbath. Hopefully afterwards it will have been enough for some kind of pro-peace faction to become popular on both sides.... Not holding my breath though.

If this does go bad (worse) I hope that the international community condems both sides, they need to be encouraged (if not forced) to find a peacefull solution.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

The far right in Israel, the ones in control, are the most ironic fascists. Bibi has been intent on slaughtering Palestinians for so long, this is all lip service before the mass murder portion of the genocide.

The conspiracy theorist in me still struggles to believe that Hamas (and maybe/probably Iran) wasn't sniffed out by the Mossad or the IDF. These are two groups considered some of the best in the world at what they do and they've been hawking on Hamas for literally longer than most Palestinians have been alive. I absolutely would believe the Israeli far right would martyr a thousand people to get their 2 million.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If this does go bad (worse) I hope that the international community condems both sides, they need to be encouraged (if not forced) to find a peacefull solution.

They never criticize Israel even for its most extreme actions. Right now they seem to be eagerly queueing up to support Israel's siege and attacks on Gaza and send more weapons, no matter how many civilians it kills. So it's hard to be hopeful that international politicians will hold Israel to a measured response.

I guess I need to add: this is not an expression of support for Hamas and their brutal killings. It shouldn't need to be said, but this is the internet.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 11 months ago

That's exactly what this is. It's the equivalent of a kid wildly swinging his fists and blaming you if you happen to be in the way.

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[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 11 months ago

Important note to those unfamiliar with the geography when reading this: the part of the Gaza Strip they want evacuated includes the entirety of Gaza City, the most populated city of the Gaza Strip. They are ordering the migration of 1.1 million people into smaller towns and cities to the south, to empty Gaza City. In 24 hours. This would be disastrous even if it was possible. But there are countless factors making it not possible for people to just pick up and leave, much less in 24 hours, including that the primary hospital of the entire Gaza Strip is in the evacuation area, and is full of injured victims of the bombings the IDF has already undertaken. They have also bombed the caravan on primary roadway people are taking out of the city, according to several news sources

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[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

I'll try to stick to facts and not mix my opinions in:

  • The area north of Wadi Gaza contains most of Gaza City, and several outlying neighborhoods.
  • Best I can tell, the furthest point in the strip is 15km away from that line. Meaning this is requesting civilians to relocate by 5-20km within 24 hours.
  • Hamas has built an extensive tunnel network underneath Gaza. These tunnels are constructed with reinforced concrete and are used to house both munitions and operational infrastructure.
  • The US has transferred advanced munitions to Israel.

Now for my personal speculation:

  • The advanced munitions are bunker busters.
  • There is a significant risk of buildings collapsing due to the tunnels underneath being destroyed.
  • The intent is to minimize civilian casualties both from the immediate airstrikes and from potential building collapse.
[-] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago

White phosphorus grenades were used by the US in Vietnam to destroy Viet Cong tunnel complexes as they would burn up all oxygen and suffocate the enemy soldiers sheltering inside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munitions

[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

The advanced munitions are almost certainly not white phosphorus. Israel already has M258A1 munitions and has had them for a very long time.

Far more likely they are bunker busters intended to destroy underground facilities constructed from reinforced concrete.

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[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

That's targeting the people inside the tunnel, not the tunnel itself. Since people are probably supposed to return to these areas eventually, I guess Israel would not consider it sufficient to clear the tunnels temporarily. They probably want to destroy them permanently.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago

What makes them think the civilians can relocate within 24 hours but Hamas fighters can't?

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[-] Camzing@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

They are going to try and push them into Egypt and take it all.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Netanyahoo is a nationalist fuck, so that's probably what his plan was if it's true he and his military intelligence ignored the planned attack.

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Oh I don't like this, I really, really don't like this. This is giving terrifying vibes

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 11 months ago

So uh... When is the U.S. and Europe going to withdraw support for Israel? I mean, genocide doesn't seem very in vogue nowadays, you know...

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

I wish there was a way for normal Israelis to get the same treatment as Gazans so that they have finally seen what is the real root cause of the problem.

The media are extremely opionated and show predominantly the human side of the Israelis and there are almost no stories about the horror in Gaza. That's not exactly independent media.

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[-] middlemanSI@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago
  1. Create excuse, 2. Retaliate (defend), 3. Expand. Conquest 101
[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

To make one of the most densely populated areas in the world even more densely populated.

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[-] urfavlaura@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago

where the fuck should they go

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