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Just start at the beginning (startrek.website)
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[-] simple@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago

And you constantly see publishers working in the industry being confused at how comics aren't more popular and cancelling series left and right wondering where it all went wrong.

We like comics, but I hate "the canon" and crossovers. Just let writers do what they want and not have to tie in to vastly different works, it's not that hard.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Publishers aren't confused about anything. The idea that some readers like clear jumping-on points and isolated cannon isn't news to anyone.

Ultimate Spider-Man proved it a long time ago. Graphic novels have been around forever. Both DC and Marvel published and still publish stand alone works all the time.

It's that they choose to serve two different audiences: the readers that like the shared universe, lose cannon, and rotating writership, because those things aren't that big a deal for them. Then there's the readers that want small, self contained, one author experiences. The mainline comics aren't made for the latter, and in fact they would lose the former if they tried to pivot in that direction.

It just never ceases to amaze me how some people can't wrap their head around the idea others have no problem jumping into a series rather than worrying about starting from issue 1. It's not that bizarre.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

But what if I want to read something that doesn’t sexualize children?

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 33 points 1 year ago

You might be out of luck.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Someone else suggested a long-form serial called “The New York Times”

I am having a hell of a time trying to find issue #1 though so idk if it’s worth starting in the middle somewhere

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago

Oh no, you'll be lost if you don't start at the beginning.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 9 points 1 year ago

The context is important to the overall narrative!

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

The Bible idk

[-] schema@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Well... about that...

[-] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 19 points 1 year ago

C'mon, this only happens with super hero comics. Even in DC, if you want to read 100 Bullets you start in chapter one. That ain't a manga exclusive feature

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

This is fair though superhero books do tend to represent the medium more in the west(even though they have and are continuing to steadily decline in popularity)

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because the reboots are annoying, not refreshing.

Plus, DC is made of cowards.

If you're going to show the Batdick, keep the Batdick. Own that Batdick. Stan it if you must, or pretend you don't know what people are talking about before throwing your Pocket BatSand if someone presses the issue, but don't back down and delete it.

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I believe the common shortening of dick graysons tenure as batman was DickBat

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago

That reminds me.

New Demand:

DickBat's BatDick.

Do it, cowards.

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Oh you meant them censoring the batdick earlier! I agree it was the height of cowardice.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Well the obvious counterpoint would be Fate, but I'm sure there are more.

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Also: monogatari

[-] Magicianfox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Well, the monogatari series isn't a manga as well.

[-] Magicianfox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be fair, Fate series isn't a manga.

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[-] JoShmoe@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 year ago

I didn’t know JoJo Star was a real person

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

17 year old high school student btw

[-] JoShmoe@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

Some people need to slow down with the evolution.

[-] pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 1 year ago

I used to read Batman comics, until DC rebooted their universe... again.

Nowadays, I stick with manga.

[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I just wish there was a good list of what's still considered canon.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There hasn't been a reboot since 2011.

[-] pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago

That's the one I was thinking about. They rebooted in the 90s and I dropped out when they rebooted again in 2011.

Tbf, most of the canon was kept intact, but I thought it was a good dropping point for me.

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, thats probably the one he's talking about.

[-] wasted_in_time@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is where I'm at with Comics. I had to look up various sites to understand what the Knight Terrors arc was, or Fall of X, House of M...Hellfire Gala event? I'll probably just give up.

[-] Dultas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Age of Apocalypse did that to me, spans like 10 different series.

*Correction 16 counting a couple of one shots.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Chapter 1: last page of book

[-] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

You probably dont want to start with 2011 since the nu52 continuity ended quite a long time ago and Batman year one would be a good starter issue to read. Marvel and DC needs to stop with their relaunching, renumbering, and returning back to legacy numbering nonsense. Its issue one, now issue 345, now issue 1 again, and we figured out if we add up all the relaunches and side series we can get to 400 so back to an inflated legacy numbering!

[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I grew up on French, British and Italian comics that have a variety of themes and are mostly episodic with contained stories. The shared universe, crossover, retcon nonsense is almost exclusive to the Marvel and DC bubble.

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Manga is written by one person. Any given mainstream comic character has at least 30 years of history with at least a dozen writers. It isn't a problem with comics but with the continuity being reconned every few years.

The real answer is to start where ever you want with comics because stories are self contained and rarely serialized. Crossover characters will revisit the comic and it's fun but usually comics are easy to get into. It's why trades are so cheap - it's open for anyone to pick up and read.

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Bro's never tried to get into Slayers

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Okay, but is the beginning the front page or the last page?

[-] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

The first page.

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Good lord...never knew people had such hate for comic books.

Read whatever you want, but damn, maybe appreciate for a second that some people like things for different reasons than you?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This is hate? Just looks like a joke to me.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You sound like a hater bruh.

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