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[–] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 93 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I unironically support this

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

while I like this, I don't think I would be able to pronounce it, lol

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pfft. Lousy historians and their stupid . . research.

[–] Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I'm just happy that this semi-true fact led me to learn a whole lot about the nahuatl and their history!

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 68 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Never heard of this goddess before but im glad i did. She's got some really awesome depictions!

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yep... She's got some great 'depictions' 👉😏👉

Always wanted a woman with a snake moustache!

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I really wish we could actually "rename" places as their original indigenous names across all America(~~s~~). For example my country had an internal turmoil just to keep the original name of its capital city because we love our native people, and yet we keep the incredibly stupid name of "Land of Colon" (imho most probably the most stupid name of any country, ever) because fuck our native people.

[–] SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I like that we call it Denali nowadays instead of Mount McKinley. I'm all for this.

Now if I could just get South Dakota to issue me a new license plate without those faces carved into the mountain...

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)
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[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

At this point, I don't know if America can heal with Mt Rushmore still there. I'm not saying we would blow it up, but I do think it might be good if it was blown up.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like, just the most recent indigenous names, or from one of them before that? It seems arbitrary to fixate on just one civilization just to avoid fixating on exactly one other.

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[–] the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m practicing the pronunciation right now.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How are you coping with the over abundance of vowels?

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 weeks ago

When every letter is a vowel, none of them are.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I've said for decades that in order to cope with an insane world, people take up unjustifiable positions. Some people turn to God, others believe in causes, or whatever.

Mine is that Wales isn't real and your language is a psyop. I'm sorry.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I'm on board with that.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

t͡ʃaːɬt͡ʃiwˈt͡ɬikʷeː

[–] TheTux@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Damn, those are some crazy phonetics

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

this is somehow harder to pronounce

[–] geogeogeo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm all for finding a middle ground, which is why I will call it the Gulf of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Or Gulf of C.U.M. for short.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well played sir, well played.

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[–] TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'll do this starting NOW, if someone will just post a pronunciation guide! Please?

[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

My gal spelt out “Chalchiuhtlicueyecati” but abbreviated “associated with.”

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If human bodies are mostly water, does that mean Chalchiuhtlicue has dominion over us, too? 🤔

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Given how we found that out, I would think the god that would have domain over us would be a Japanese god

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What are you doing, step-god sama?

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

Agree, at least it's the original name

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If we want to rename things (Mexico was a LOT larger in the olden times) why don't we call it "Gulf of the Americas?"

Oh because it doesn't support imperial single minded nationalism and isn't USA centered

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[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anybody got a pronunciation key?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think nobody would complain if you pronounced it "Cha Cha cat"

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@Sal@mander.xyz - Do you know? I couldn't find many sources but I only speak English.

[–] Sal@mander.xyz 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

EDIT: As indepndnt mentioned in a comment below, the OP was posted on February 14, which pre-dates the wikipedia edits. So, my conclusions below about the timeline are not valid.

Hah, sure, let's investigate 🕵️‍♂️

The term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user 'Mxn'.

The description of the edit is the following:

Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic

If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the 'Gulf of Mexico' in the spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl

This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the 'Gulf of Mexico' in September 16, 2018. I don't have access to the citation so I don't know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.

If you check the history you will find that the same 'Mxn' fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.

So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico, and finding this connection between the term an the gulf by searching on Wikipedia. This information did not come from recent news about the term being used by natives.

I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' more frequently or at all. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.

I find it highly unlikely that:

  • User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago

AND

  • This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media

More likely....

  • Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
  • Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme

And this concludes my little investigation 🧐

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Haha, fantastic. Thank you for your work. ALAS! We have uncovered a deeper mystery! 🔍🔎🔎🔍🔎 🤔

Is this the book? https://annas-archive.org/md5/fb8569c405991107b987fda775f49ba2

[–] Sal@mander.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but that version is in German. That website also has one in English: https://annas-archive.org/slow_download/24154814bfe1e676d79509c3db1f74a4/0/0

Let's see...

Woah, interesting. The author is José López Portillo. I thought he shared the name with a former Mexican president, but, nope, the author is a former Mexican president.

The title of the English version is a bit different, but the text appears to be the same. It is a novel, and I can find no mention of the gulf of Mexico or of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl in this book. To me it looks like a mistake in the citation.

The claim appears to come from this text (citation 1): https://www.scribd.com/document/703207646/Dioses-prehispanicos-de-Mexico-mitos-y-deidades-del-panteon-Fernandez-Adela-1992-Mexico-D-F-Panorama-Editorial-9789683803061-cbee5

Unfortunately, that book does not contain references nor is it stated where this claim comes from.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Sal@mander.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Cuando quieras! 😁

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Damn, look at you being awesome!

[–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The post in the screen shot is dated February 14, 2025 though?

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If I could heard that pronounced I would totally start call it that too

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[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 7 points 2 weeks ago

Where and when was this decided by the Indigenous people of North America?

I'm interested to learn more about this. I've never heard this name when I studied the history of North America,

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 5 points 2 weeks ago

google maps is showing Chaacosiano for me

[–] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone else seeing the part about licking cats?

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