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https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/trump-fentanyl-weapon-of-mass-destruction-executive-order-draft-scoop

Well this is absolutely frightening in so much that Trump is going to force his way into Canada via military operations by claiming fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.

Anyone remember the Bush Administration and WMDs they said were there but never were?

Elbows up Canuck’s. The time to prepare is most likely closer than we think.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 102 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

For a guy who said he wasn't gonna go to war, he sure as fuck sounds like a guy getting ready to go to war.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

I just hope the economy finally crashes before he gets the chance.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Since the major sources of fentanyl brought into the USA are from Mexico and South America, and originate in China I get the feeling he will either invade the south or just use this as an excuse to grab more power without actually mobilizing. He sure as fuck doesn't have the balls to deal with daddy China, he praises the shit of out Xi.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you want peace, prepare for war.

I'm not being facetious and I'm not joking, and I don't think he is either.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Should have acquired nukes. This is the message.

[–] rozcakj@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago
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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Here comes the "special military operation", but it's not a declaration of war so he doesn't need congressional approval.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

Actually thanks to the 2001 AUMF he doesn't need Congress as long as it's part of the (still ongoing, never officially ended) "war on terror". Which, presumably, would include stopping WMDs.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Soooo can we declare Purdue Pharmaceutical and the Sackler family terrorists organization under that rhetoric? Asking for a friendly nation.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nope only applies to illicit fentanyl. Same reason coca cola is the nation's only legal supplier of cocaine.

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[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago

I agree that this is just so he has reason to continue his attacks, I am guessing it will be aimed at Mexico but Canada needs to be ready.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is so he can get wartime and "emergency powers" to stop the midterm elections

[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can't wait to be jailed for being an enemy of the state for fucking anything

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If that time comes, remove as many as you can and don't be a prisoner

[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t want to be a prisoner but let’s be honest they already know what I have typed. It’s already been green lit to spy on queer folx for being queer.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago

In the read out from the PCC meeting on Friday, it says the participating agencies “recognize the need for the United States to take strong action to counter this devastating situation, but these bureaus share significant policy concerns with the Executive Order as drafted.”

Those concerns include the fact that the EO “cites a statute that does not entail an authority to ‘designate’ substances as WMD,” concerns about “negative effects on entities that legitimately handle, ship, and deliver opioids for pharmaceutical purposes,” and acknowledges that “fentanyl can be treated as a chemical weapon when it is developed or used as a weapon…which risks muddying clearly defined roles and responsibilities between the counternarcotics, counterproliferation, and arms control communities.”

Trump has blown by just blurring the lines since he was sworn in. He's wiping them out completely.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's so far outside the box predictions don't work anymore. But food for thought; Americans associate drugs with Mexico far more than any other country. So this would be one hell of a head whip for the general public. Americans also still consider Canada one of our closest friends on the global stage. Many families in the North span the border. For that fact alone there's a very good chance that if he attacks Canada we'd shut this country down with protests and strikes.

On a rational predictable level he's already declared cartels to be terrorists and Venezuela to be a terrorist state. This is very likely another tool to pressure the Mexican government.

That said, I wouldn't trust us right now. We're like that friend who took too much cocaine and is hiding in the closet with a gun. Unpredictable and dangerous.

[–] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speaking for myself, someone with family and friends in the US, I don't trust you one bit right now - your current government is an enemy to Canada, period.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I’m not really sure Americans would shut down their country at this point. For one thing, they seem incapable of protesting. More importantly though, Republicans seem fully sold on an invasion and even some Democrats seem rather excited to use us to “move their politics left” (as if we’d get the right to vote)

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your optimism as to how the American people would react is cute, but likely not realistic. There's a huge chunk of Americans who voted for this, there's another huge chunk that didn't care to even bother voting. The thought that someone who couldn't be arsed to spend an hour popping in to vote, would get organized and take up arms -- especially on behalf of other people / principles / morals -- is a bit of a stretch.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Here's the thing. The way the American highway system works is it goes from city to city. And millions of people in the northern cities voted against him. We don't need to shut down the roads in the rural red areas. His Canadian state idea also wasn't a part of his campaign and many Americans still think it's nothing more than him being his normal blathering self. So we aren't seeing true opposition get captured in polling yet.

I agree that he's dangerous. And I don't know what we could do to stop him but I am absolutely sure the military would suffer high rates of desertion compared to orders to invade Panama, Mexico, or Venezuela. I am also sure that Congress would not use the war powers act to stop him in any invasion, nor would he listen to them if they did. So whatever has to happen is up to the people, and there are at least 80 million pissed off Americans right now. You're right that I can't guarantee anything on their behalf. I can only offer an inside perspective and my apologies.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wasn't there a bust of like 1000 lbs of fentanyl crossing the border from the US into Canada recently?

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

I believe there was, but Donny dumbass doesn’t care about that.

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Serious question, should I get a gun?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (10 children)

The statistics are overwhelmingly clear; the most likely person to be killed by a gun is its owner.

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[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The only resistance that could stand a chance against the US army would be organized by the Canadian government, in which case they’d provide you with the weapon.

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[–] derpgon@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

No, fentanyl might be more effective at mass destruction. /s (obviously)

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fentanyl is the preferred opiate in hospitals. Cheaper per dose. US used to be able to "influence" Afghanistan to help its drug trade profits. Fentanyl is cheap because it doesn't need controlled plants in addition to potency.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/918279481/some-health-workers-suffering-from-addiction-steal-drugs-meant-for-patients

Hard to get an exact number for hospital theft amount of fentanyl, but

3,600 cases of alleged drug theft at healthcare facilities over the last five years, including 280 cases so far in 2020.

111,000 instances here where the folks that were reviewing [drug inventories] could not figure out why the math didn't add up,"

What is almost certain is that US healthcare system is a larger source of illegal fentanyl than Canada. If the absurdity that it is a WMD is taken, there should be military security around hospitals before it's placed at the borders.

The death potential of the vial of Anthrax Colin Powell quoted to UN was based on using an eye dropper to kill individuals one by one. WMDs actually require mass deaths from one event as a definition.

Canada needs to immediately stop military cooperation with US. Kick them out of NORAD unless they pay high rent. Stop threatening US enemies, and accepting them as our own.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

yep, when my wife was giving birth, they gave her Fentanyl.

Guess all hopsitals are terrorists.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Someone call Hans Blix, we gotta find them WMDs in Canada. Funny if they dont find any.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

Oh for fuck sakes.

[–] pelgraine@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s interesting that this 2019 article shows this idea isn’t a new one - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/21/politics/dhs-fentanyl-wmd/index.html

The fact that they were considering back then has me wondering if this apparently leaked draft EO might have actual substance to it, which is disturbing to say the least.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mexican cartels and elements of the heroin trade have been known to use fentanyl as an additive to increase the potency of other illegal drugs.

He's already invoked the alien enemies act against Venezuelan cartels, effectively declaring war on Venezuela. He's setting up a shooting war in Central America.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, he did not effectively declare war on Venezuela, which is exactly why his use of the act was immediately blocked by courts. He's trying to use a law designed for times of war without actually being in a war with the people he wants to target.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That war is how he is going to solve the economic crisis resulting from hia isolationist tariffs.

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

About time the USA started treating domestic terrorism appropriately...

...oh

[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

Alright, folks. Time to get on !MapleResistance@lemmy.ca, !Canada@50501.chat, and !resist@fedia.io. !preppers@lemmy.ca could use some love too

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

It's this that "newspeak" I've been hearing about?

[–] chuck@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hmm fenyntal as a weapon wasn't on my list of war crimes to add to the Geneva checklist but we can throw it to the boys to figure out how to make it work and be novel enough to add a section or two to the next version

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

First as tragedy, then as farce

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago
[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Trump right now.

Can we just FFW to the end? Pretty please?

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[–] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those photos of WMDs? They were balls.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Hands down one of the best shows ever!!

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