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submitted 1 year ago by 31415926535@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I know it's gross, unhealthy, a stupid habit, makes no sense.

Trouble quitting cuz it's something to do with hands, fidgety, restless, oral fixation I think, and it gets me out of the house. Can't find a habit to replace it with.

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[-] Necromnomicon@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

A friend of mine is a Doctor. This is what he suggests to anyone who is truly interested in stopping.

  1. Smoke as much as you need to
  2. Start rolling your own, unfiltered.
  3. Put the pack somewhere inconvenient, like car trunk or in a hard to reach box in the garage
  4. Only every smoke outside, under an open sky. No cars, no houses, no awnings, no umbrellas, etc. No matter the weather.

He says this makes it accessible but inconvenient and not as enjoyable. Eventually the inconvenience will start to outweigh the need until you end up quitting. He says he has like a 80-90% success rate with those who actually follow through

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

But how many actually follow through?

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That's the thing about quitting you kind of have to want to.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some will still want to quit, but the extra steps might have the opposite effect of just not being able to stick to those self-inflicted constraints. I know all too well how it won't happen until you actually want to quit, I've since quit as well, but I know it wouldn't have worked for me, I'd have abandoned this plan in a matter of days, not so compatible with my usual ADHD scatterbrain. Too much organization.

Vapes, going down from 8mg to 0mg over a while, then eventually just having the habit left to drop, was what worked for me. YMMV, of course.

[-] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That's excellent advice. It's like training a dog - your brain stops associating the release of dopamine with cigarettes after a few bad experiences,

[-] shice@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

My grandfather quit smoking by switching the habit to lollipops. He always used to say it was a good replacement for the oral fixation and fidgeting

[-] cayleaf@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I quit a 20 year smoking habit with jolly ranchers. After the 1st month, I didn’t need them anymore.

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[-] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I suggested to a friend years ago that he keep all of hit used butts in a jar beside his bed. He came up with this idea that he should add some water to the jar.

The reminder every time he got up or went to bed that the black goop shit was the same stuff he was putting into his lungs every day eventually got him to stop. He couldn’t even look at the jar anymore — and certainly didn’t want to add to it. That thing was nasty.

[-] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Mindfulness. Don't resist the urges, but every time you smoke, practice being present - literally just try to keep your attention on what you are doing. Don't judge yourself for doing it, just notice. If you are able to do this, it will help with much more than just quitting smoking.

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

This is the answer. There are many tricks and coping strategies, but at the end of the day there is no shortcut. Once you truly decide to stop, you just stop doing it.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quit specific cigarettes. One at a time.

No more "after meal" cigarettes. Ooh, that's rough man.

Okay, now, no more "after work" cigarette.

No more "responding to frustration" cigarette.

No more coffee cigarette.

No more drunk cigarette.

You're probably more addicted to smoking in the scenes/scenarios/circumstances you find yourself in the most frequently than you are to smoking cigarettes. So quit one at a time rather than "smoking" all at once.

There is a lot of solid research behind this method. If you're a mid 30s American, you might remember the ad from the mid 2000s where the woman carjacks someone so that she can smoke. Narrator comes on "you don't drive every time you smoke... ...but you smoke every time you drive 🤔"

That campaign, iirc, was called "think of a new way to quit"

[-] funkajunk@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

It's not just a habit, it's a chemical dependence. If you really want to quit, I suggest vaping. It was invented to be a smoking cessation tool as you can easily taper off the amount of nicotine, while still performing "the ritual".

Once the chemical dependency is gone, then you can go for a walk or something to keep yourself busy, but until then you've got an addiction to deal with.

Source: I used vaping to quit a 10-year, pack/day habit.

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Are you stuck on vaping then or is that easier to quit?

[-] funkajunk@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I tapered off my nicotine levels over the course of 10 months, then I just stopped once I was down to 0mg vape juice.

[-] wyrmroot@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

YMMV. I know it’s a good step down for some folks, especially as you can get carts with decreasing levels of nicotine. But in my case, the accessibility of vaping (which I did inside and in smaller more frequent doses, unlike how I smoked) set me back a bit and I felt like I started quitting all over again.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I quit smoking via vaping a few years ago. Idk how easy it is now, I know some laws have been passed regarding the availability of different juices.

But essentially it just gives you more control. You can gradually step down your nicotine content over the course of like a year or more if you want. At the end I had a bottle of 3mg/ml and a bottle of 0, and I would mix them to get even smaller amounts. Eventually you’re just not using nicotine anymore.

For some people tho it goes the other way. Lots of times it ends up being the case that nicotine consumption goes way up, or people end up vaping + still smoking anyway. Which is…pretty bad lol

So yeah vaping can be a very convenient way to quit. It worked for me. But there’s a reason doctors don’t recommend it

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is going to be really atypical: smoke cigars.

I never really smoked cigarettes so I never had an addiction with them. But I do like cigars. I smoke them occasionally, as do most people with few exceptions. I've heard, though, from some former cigarette smokers that switching to cigars helped them mostly painlessly stop their addiction to constantly smoking cigarettes by instead just having an occasional, even maybe weekly, cigar. Cigars may be more intense but also don't have all the chemicals and crap that some cigarettes have, and cigars even intentionally remove some of the chemicals that cigarettes may add, like ammonia.

[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

goddammit that is so stupid it might actually work! I don't have a problem with quitting, did it dozens of times, but sooner or later always had the famous "only one cig".

gonna go for a cigar when that happens next time 👌

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[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

This is how I quit smoking actually. Now I haven't even smoked a cigar in years

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[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly sit by yourself one night and actually realize that majority of people who will see or smell you are going to think your the dumbest mother fucker they met that day and they're likely right if you smoke. You're paying thousands a year to die young and very horribly. And all you get in return is proving to everybody you met that nobody should respect any decisions you make since you prove to everybody you aren't capable of making good choices. That's what got me to quit. It hit me hard one night that this was how I would come off to a lot of people considering what we know noe of cigarettes. Its really the dumbest fucking choice I ever made to get addicted. 15 years and what the fuck did I get out of it. So for me, intense shame got me to quit relatively cold turkey.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

The thing that worked for me, which I had literally never heard anywhere for some reason, is to quit drinking for about six months when you quit smoking.

At least for me, all my relapses happened when I was at a bar or a party having drinks.

[-] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Way I quite. First I swapped to vaping. It was an easy switch. It tasted better smelled better and gave me the same rush. Though it did take 2 times for me to guilt switch. After that lowered the nicotine level slowly. Got down to 0. I never said I couldn't have one. I just played the game of how long I could go without. Started off delaying a few minutes. Then progressed to 15 minutes the half hour. Then I'd skip a break at work. At some point I crave one then tell myself later and if go hours without one. Changed to days. I don't remember my last one. Also jolly rancher hard Candy or the like helped with cravings or delaying the need to go have a smoke. Could skip the vaping but I found it so much better that smoking.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I'm not a smoker, but I saw some advice on here a while back that seemed really solid. Basically stop saying "I'm quitting" or "I'm trying to quit", and replace those phrases in your vocabulary with "I have quit". Then don't make a liar of yourself.

[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a book my friend swore by. I think it's called "how to quit smoking". By the time he finished it he said he had lost all interest.

It's kind of well known, and I'm sure you can find it if you Google.

[-] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Perhaps Alan Carr’s “The Easy Way”?

My favorite chapter of that book was titled the Benefits of Smoking.

The author uses a nice technique - reducing the concept and practice of smoking to absurdity. Reductio ad ab-smoke-dum, if you will.

[-] carcus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

This is it. It’s not the worlds most well written book, but its repetitiveness and concepts are effective. Worked for me.

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[-] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Had a good doctor who told me you can't "try to quit". You can't "cut back". You can't quit for other people or before you are ready. But once you are... he said every successful quitter he helped, quit cold turkey. You have to stop 100% or you won't stop. He offered meds to help with the emotional and physical side effects. I declined.

I was a smoker for 20+ years, many of those I was well over a pack a day and I worked in a smoking bar for over a decade. It's probably too late for me is what I thought, BUT I DID IT.

Quit 2 and a half years ago. It hasn't gotten any easier yet. I still want to smoke daily. But I haven't had a single puff. I still hang out with friends that smoke but I did change my normal environment. (Quit while I was moving to make breaking associated habits easier.)

The things I found most helpful when the craving kicks in... Exercise was the best. HARD physical labor. Also sleeping and eating. Luckily I was in decent shape already so eating a bit more often wasn't a huge deal. The tons of extra exercise just burned it off or helped build up some muscle mass I didn't know was possible.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Do it like I did and get pneumonia. No smoking for 3 months and when I tried it again afterwards the taste was just disgusting.

[-] kuneho@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

my mother went cold turkey on quitting, with the motivation of buying (leasing?) a new car.

she knew, that if she continues to smoke, she won't be able to pay the debt.

now, she's completely cigarette free, for almost 15 years or more. the whole process took around less than a year.

(granted, had to replace some furniture at the beginning, because she smashed them, but this anger management problem got better rather fast)

[-] diamat@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not sure if it's atypical, but you could try reading "Alan Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking" and "The Freedom Model of Addictions". The basic premise of the books is, that if you really want to quit, you will quit easily, and that in order to really want to quit you need to reevaluate the reward value of your habit instead of focusing on the negatives. You smoke because you find it pleasurable. The books guide you to better understand what part of your habit you find pleasurable exactly. Is it the nicotine rush? Or maybe the you like the social aspect of it? After finding out what exactly you find pleasurable about your habit, the books will give you pointers on how to reevaluate if the pleasure you derive from it is really all that great compared to other activities or whether it really solves the problem that you set out to solve with your habit.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

There is no way you could reproduce this now, but when I quit smoking, I worked in a place where everyone smoked, so I got it second-hand for quite a while after that.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As a former tobacco user as well, I will share something that I think we should enjoy.

I've been re-watching the X-files. I do occasionally let my 5 yo watch. So, the smoking man was in this one, and my kid actually asked what a cigarette was.

I'm so glad how we've changed smoking from common to my kid not even knowing what it is after around only 20 years.

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[-] mrmule@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Smoker for 35 years... This might not help you directly, but I went to Australia for 3 months where cigarettes are USD$50 per pack. At that price I'm not buying. Went cold turkey and it's been 6 months and still not purchased a pack, even though I'm now in another country where a pack is just USD$2.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I got down to 1 a day. As long as my body knew that one was coming at the end of the day I was fine.

One night I got drunk and when I smoked that one it gave me the spins and I puked everywhere.

The next day I went out and got some of the nic gum and just replaced my 1 cig with that. Eventually I just used less gum and then phased it out entirely.

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Switch to vaping, learn to make your own juice, slowly titrate your nicotine down over a period of a year or so, work on kicking the oral fixation without having to worry about withdrawals from nicotine. Worked well enough for me

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[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I quit cigarettes cold turkey with the help of raw fettuccine. It's useful for fidgeting, restlessness, and oral fixation. I ate about 3 packs and drank lots of water in the first 3 days, just staying home. In those 3 days, you don't want to go out, people will suck, air will suck, the sun will suck, everything sucks. After 3 days I was able to stop thinking so much about cigarettes. In those first 3 days, I wouldn't recommend leaving the house. Also after quitting for a while the smell of cigarettes might make you nauseous which is an extra buffer to keep off of them.

[-] pfunk1978@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It took me 6 tries to quit a 30 year habit. In the end you have to want to quit. Realizing that quitting is the smart move is not the same as wanting to quit. I finally wanted to quit when I just didn't want to go to the fucking store again and smoke in a parking lot because I can't really smoke anywhere else. I decided that I was just done with that shit.

Spent another year on lozenges and quit those for the same reasons.

[-] KrankyKong@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

If you're not opposed to medications, bupropion (brand name zyban) helped me. My cravings lessened almost immediately. Nicotine also feels like it has little to no effect since I started, which was honestly kind of a bummer to find out when I fell off the wagon.

I get medication isn't for everyone, but just putting what worked for me out there. Funny enough, I didn't even start taking it for smoking cessation. That's just one thing Bupropion can be used to treat. It was a two birds one stone kinda situation.

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[-] mdhughes@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

There's a movie with a sure-fire method, Stephen King's Cat's Eye. Just find someone willing to "help you" like Quitters Inc.

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

do other drugs instead. everytime you want a cig just have an edible.

[-] Tat@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Vape.

It's a good gateway to quitting, also cheaper

[-] Bizarroland@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I quit smoking 10 years ago thanks to vaping.

I'll agree that it's most likely not as safe as not vaping at all but I am also on the side that it's harm reduction and your clothes smell a lot nicer if you vape than if you smoke.

I now mix my own vape juice using premix chemicals and a year's supply cost me something in the neighborhood of $400 and that's including coils and batteries and all of that stuff.

I also use only a very small amount of nicotine, something like 1.5 mg compared to commercial Vapes bottoming out at 3, and on my next batch I'll reduce it to half of that.

[-] 31415926535@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Got a lot of really good tips, thanks to everyone for chiming in. I was a serious alcoholic for decades, and haven't had a drink in 5 years. So I will be able to quit smoking. Thanks again!

[-] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
  1. Get a dry herb vaporizer like the arizer air max as the smoke all be much cleaner for you

  2. Buy some cheap hemp flower or pot and mix it with the tobacco, slowly skew the ratio towards hemp flower/pot over time. Throw a little dried lavendar in there too if you have access to the plant

  3. Micro dose on magic mushrooms daily, not enough to trip just enough to feel good, for some reason I hate smoking anything while on mushroom trips and have heard personal stories of people quitting cold turkey

[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sunflower seeds

[-] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Reduce first but have attainable goals. Go easy and steady.

For some folks cold Turkey works best but it might not be for you.

Most importantly, find a reason that's really important to you.

Maybe try sports - something measurable. It easier to tell yourself no after a cardio as you realise how it ruins what you just achieved.

[-] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

My Dad quit after almost dying from lung infections. So maybe see if you can get yourself one of those every year for a decade to where you're hospitalized for a few weeks at the end and the doctor says the next time you leave in a body bag.

[-] tarmac@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Always act like you’ve just smoked one. What would you do next? Just go and do that now. Also, roll like 10-20 joints and smoke em when you crave a cig. You can only do that for so long until you’re like nah I’m good on smoking I’m too high to have more.

[-] tarmac@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Also you can still get out of the house, just go outside the house and do what you would do without a cig. I would go on my porch and read a book or my phone while smoking. I still went outside and did that but without a cig. After a while you’re like why am I out here. And do other things to spend time outside like hiking, exploring, pick up a sport, camping, etc etc. some ideas anyway.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used Wellbutrin about 7 months ago to quit. And was only on it for about a month or two. I have since gone through the death of my best friend for over 30 years, and recently the loss of a beloved pet of 15 years. Neither of these events triggered my urge to smoke again, so there’s at least a testimony to it’s effectiveness.

More on the process:

So I went to my GP and asked for help in quitting, (habit was a pack or more a day for 40 years) was prescribed Wellbutrin and just went with it. I was smoking while on the medication for probably two weeks or so, and then gradually lost the taste for it along with the urge to smoke. It got to the point where I would forget to smoke at times when I normally would, such as- after waking up/eating, etc.

Having dealt with some extreme grief/sorrow/stress/anxiety over the course of this shitshow of a year and still not smoking as a result of it has been one of the very few things I have to be happy about.

Helping someone achieve this and paying it forward would certainly help make it more worthwhile, so I wish you the best of luck in whatever works for you.

Hang in there.

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