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[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

No, it started with Reagan

No, it started with Nixon

No, it started with Prescott Bush

All of history is built on what came before. I think if we really want to get to the root of America's collapse, we have to look way back. Doing so, I can only conclude that the Agricultural Revolution was a mistake.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

If we’re being honest with ourselves it goes back much further than that. It has never, at any point, been what it set out to be or what it claimed to be.

Kinda hinted toward it in another post but its more about my own personal perspective. At a young age my life was mostly devoid of politics and america seemed like an ok place. Since the attack on the twin towers, for me personally, america has only gotten worse. To me, 911 marks the end of america, as an idea.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I disagree with the last sentence. I think we made an attempt. But everything after WWII has been headed this direction without much checking.

[–] Mallspice@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

That awkward moment when terrorists win.

[–] match@pawb.social 1 points 3 hours ago

gonna just say fuck it and say it started with the USS Maine sinking itself

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 hours ago

"All men are created equal"

Is slave state

Always has been

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I think the dawn of neoliberalism under Reagan and the 2008 crisis are essential. 9/11 was just a great sensation to focus on

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 11 points 10 hours ago

9/11 was a catalyst for forces that were already in play.

Casus belli* 😅

[–] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I thought we all agreed it was the gorilla.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

That was but a symptom, a healthy society wouldn't have let that happen to our boi Harambe in the first place

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Interesting no one has mentioned the 2000 election shenanigans yet. That was some real stolen election shit

[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 minutes ago

That's exactly where the timeline jumped the tracks. if Gore's election is properly counted, there's potentially no 9/11, but certainly no Iraq and probably no Afghanistan as we know it. And without Bush and the whiplash against him and those events, there's no Obama. And without the mouth breather whiplash to Obama, there's no Trump.

So yeah, I would say that the republicans fucking around in south Florida is what caused the rift.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 9 points 10 hours ago

Florida? Yeah I heard a podcast about this, eerily similar to all that's been happening around the last 2 elections.

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think the assassination of JFK was the first kill shot that signal the end of America. Nixon and Regan becoming president was the cancer that inflicted the backbone of the working class. And 9/11 helped kick off anew wave of white hatred that had been boiling since the 90s. And now we are where we are now to the point of no return. I’m 42 years old and have seen and lived through some terrible and crazy times and we are all about to head straight into a country wide car crash and idk what will happen after it or if this country will survive it.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

Let's throw some wild cards to keep your world entertaining

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 71 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

You could argue that Regan was the spark. 9/11 was the fire. Trump is the ashes.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Either socialism or barbarism

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Trump is the fallout making us sick.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago

Or Nixon.

9/11, horrible as it was, just gave them a good reason to put into law some truly undemocratic shit they probably already had waiting in a drawer for a while.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 15 hours ago

It was the stagflation in the seventies. That's when the rich managed to switch the economy ~~back to exploitation mode~~ to neoliberalism, and Reagan was their tool.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 29 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

if it wasn't regan, it was the great depression. if it wasn't the great depression it was the civil war.

we didn't start the fire. it was always burning since the world's been turning.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We got the new deal it of the great depression though. It took Republicans many decades of dedication to dismantle what we gained from that.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

my post was basically just rhetorical, but you have a great point.. i wonder what "new deal" they'll come up with in the wake of this guy.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 17 points 17 hours ago

Truth is?

Game's been rigged from the start.

[–] Flemmy@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

An era of oil abuse.

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 41 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The day america ended:

picture of Christopher Columbus

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The day Earth ended: The day when the first Eukaryotic Organism was evolved

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

This is prokaryote erasure

This is more of a political commentary on that fact that when I was politically activated, preteen, its been nothing but down hill.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Did this attack really cause a change in trajectory though?

I think capitalism has been leading the US down this path since the second world war.

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I think it delayed the inevitable. By the 90s, right wing American extremism was on the rise. 9/11 put up a facade of unity (as long as you didn't look middle eastern). The right wing movements went quiet for 15 years. America returned to trajectory in 2016.

[–] prunerye@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 hours ago

I'd argue neoconservativism started with WW2, but neoliberalism is probably better tied to Nixon. So I agree, 9/11 was just a continuation of neocon power grabs, but invoking post-WW2 "capitalism" doesn't make much sense to me; the New Deal was comparatively great for workers. Neoconservativism isn't really an economic movement like neoliberalism is.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Is it a change of trajectory If instead of going down a long slope you turn down a road leading toward the edge of a cliff? Because while I agree about capitalism leading to inevitable horrific consequences there's really no way to argue against 9/11 ushering in an age of utter Horrors when it came to civil rights.

Of course you could also make the argument that the turn towards that Cliff was actually caused by the Supreme Court picking George W bush to be our president.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago

Yeah that's fair.

These types of events are always used as an excuse to dial up invasive powers of government.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

It didn't change the trajectory, but those attacks were much more effective than even Al Qaeda thought they would be. They provided the excuse the American fascists were looking for to further their own plans without much push back.

[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 8 points 19 hours ago

I don't get it. I just see NYC rolling coal.