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Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 12 Jun 2025
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They shouldn't be there. The national guard is for fighting wildfires and vaccinating hundreds of thousands of people during the pandemic. They are not to be abused for idiotic political reasons, especially for protests with very few bad apples.
The national guard, if i understand it correctly, is meant to be the well-regulated militia of the states as outlined in the 2nd amendment. They shouldn't even be under federal control at all.
One day these guys will have to pick a side between their neighbours and the oligarchy.
Maybe it's time to stop "just following orders".
They're welcome to come defend the American people from the criminal gangs known as the police and ICE.
Pawns of political games feel like pawns of political game? No fucking way, at this rate, they will get self-conscience faster than they predict it for ai.
I mean didn't a court just said this deployment is illegal? Just use that as an excuse and be like: "fuck this, I'm out". Like literally just start holding a poster and go to the protester's side.
A judge ruled the troops can remain there for now.
I keep looking for cries for help on their shields.
I can totally see a scenario where they deploy but have protest messages on their shields, and maliciously comply to orders.
This is quite funny, since pawns in chess literally represent infantry units.
They should be feeling like shit. They are acting like shit and following unconstitutional orders. Grow a goddamn spine and frag any officers who give you unconstitutional orders.
If you have been trained to follow orders under extreme pressure, in an organisation that has done exactly this stuff for decades overseas to 'other people'. And if actually you consider immigrants 'other people', how big a leap is it really?
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You got the choice to stand up and say no. No I will not use my weapons on my own fucking people because some geriatric PoS is having a terrible twos tantrum because everyone hates his ass.
Do what's right or be remembered as the ones who did wrong.
Please. Please. Please. Come on boys, just read the Constitution, you didn't sign up for this shit.
Maybe this will be what wakes up Americas military to the fact that everything they do is political. Apparently its harder to trick people into hurting their own country though so thats good to hear.
Their orders are illegal, thus disobeying them is not insubordination or illegal.
Not just not subordination following them is specifically illegal and historically "I was following orders" has NEVER been justification or gotten anyone off their charges. You follow illegal orders YOU are a criminal as much as your commanding officer.
Unfortunately for the most part with only a few exceptions "I was following orders" has in fact, always worked to get people off scott free for war crimes except in cases where they were committed by a nation that lost the war.
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They are upset that they are witnessing police tear gas their own community members and civilians exercising their 1st amendment rights, yet soldiers cannot use that same weapon against enemies… what does that say?!? STOP GASSING US! Stop with the rubber bullets! We have right and Americans need to stand up and realize this!
If there are no consumers, there is no capitalism! If all essential workers all don't show up ONE DAY… we shutdown America! We
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, mass organized protests across the nation!!!
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Now is the time for malicious compliance
"I signed up to kill brown people in the middle east, not this"
That's not what the National Guard is for. It's meant to help citizens in times of crisis and defend the nation in case of invasion, not be deployed overseas.
"I signed up because I was too poor to go to college and had no other career prospects." Don't assume.
Killing brown people in the middle east - I sleep
Killing brown people in America - real shit
I signed up to kill brown people in the middle east, not ~~this~~ here"
FTFY
They should be troubled. They are breaking their oath on the constitution.
On the other hand, they could easily turn and end tyranny before it really sets in.
You say "easily," but I doubt it appears so easy, because disobeying the order first starts with you violating the UCMJ and paying for it. Only then can you fight and say hey, the order was unlawful. But you're doing that from military jail. It's an uphill battle and there's nothing easy about it.
I imagine the mindset is go, stand around with a shield, don't murk protestors, and try to just wait this shit out.
Plus, for the Marines, they were living in 29 Palms beforehand, so it's practically a vacation.
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deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for
Then refuse those illegal orders and stand down.
It's a nice idea but the military makes it really hard to do that.
As much as i hate what Trump is doing, I don't expect any enlisted man to refuse orders to go somewhere. The legality of that order is debatable, but following it does not cause any immediate harm. It's not a good risk to take.
Refusal to follow orders will come when the order is so clearly illegal that there can be no question, and when following that order is something that can't be undone. An order to fire into the crowd, for example.
Of course, no such order will be given. I assume we have all seen Andor, yes?
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this is a good thing to hear
Similar when they were doing border patrol in Texas.
Military training is kinda big on threat identification and assessment. You don't have to like the military to appreciate some of the stuff you can learn from it.
Protesting is not a threat to America. It's a threat to the people who are in charge.
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In this thread: a lot of people who have no idea about how the military operates.
So they are just going to whine...but then do it anyway?
Dishonorable discharges fuck your life up, but go off
The person who regularly hates on people who serve using them to attack the people they joined to protect? I can't image why morale would be low.
I wonder if any of them have seen No Escape?
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