The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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• r/ACAB
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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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Are they cops?
Are the ICE?
Are they cosplayers?
Source: https://redlib.northboot.xyz/r/LosAngeles/comments/1lfe5gb/ice_brandishing_silencers/
The reason for having suppressors is to make it less loud when you shoot your weapon at an immigrant or protestor
It's not that they need silencers, but that ICE needs to hire from the pool of people obsessed with guns to be able to continue acting as the US gestapo it is.
Why do they need/get to hide their faces, and carry no identification?
why do we all need to continue this giant circle jerk? is there a single person here who doesn't understand that republicans are evil, that cops are fascists, that capitalism is killing us, that our president is a fucking moron, that corporations are run by sociopaths, and that religion is the scaffolding that holds it all together?
i mean seriously. i'm confused. do you guys just enjoy joking about it all? do you need the dopamine high of dunking to the choir? why don't we talk about solutions instead of rehashing the same old bullshit day after day?
do you guys just enjoy joking about it all?
Yes.
Morale matters.
Humor is a weapon.
Preaching to the choir is an important part of a pastor's job - because who wants to hear the Word more than true believers do?
Online circlejerks are powerful community building tools - they reaffirm true believers' loyalty, strengthen the commitment of moderates, and expose visiting lurkers to the movement's perspective and the passion of its members.
Let's not forget how racist circlejerks on FB and Reddit and the chans memed Trump into office in 2016.
Jerking about problems can't be all a movement does, of course - but an online movement that doesn't share memes, and in-jokes, and news that supports it, and similar kinds of community building, is dead on the ground.
It helps morale, and makes stress easier to deal with, and can build solidarity. Several years ago, in a situation where me and 131 other people were waiting for our imminent deaths, and were powerless to do anything about it, some people were freaking out, some sat in silence, and others of us joked and laughed about the situation. I actually asked one of my friends if he'd like to retake an exam, so he could maybe pass it, and sue with a better grade. He really bombed an exam badly, the day before, and there obviously wouldn't be time for other remediation. He he told me to fuck off, we both laughed, did a "cheers" with our half empty coffees, and finished them off.
I was one of the laughers/jokers, but when the situation changed, giving us hope of survival, the laughing and joking went silent. Hope brought the stress for the rest of us. Obviously, we survived (I'm thumbing this missive out on my phone). I've been married over 20 years, have a couple kids.
God damn if you didn't sum up lemmy in two fucking paragraphs.
All those issues are real, and I have no idea what the best solution is.
Being on here WILL get you depressed... But knowing this info is also important... I don't know man...
To feel like you are a part of the solution without any real effort... oh and internet points.
Every rifle used by law enforcement ought to have a silencer. If they're gonna murder someone the absolute rock bottom very least they can do is not cause severe permanent hearing damage to a hundred other people in the vicinity.
It's not like it's a stealth thing. It's not going to do anything to prevent detection and they don't give a shit about that anyway. This isn't a James Bond or John Wick movie so let's not pretend silenced gunshots aren't still unbelievably loud.
A better question is how can other cops bring a rifle into a densely populated area WITHOUT a silencer?
Single shots from rifles do not cause permanent hearing loss.
A better question is how can other cops bring a rifle into a densely populated area WITHOUT a silencer?
I dont even know how to respond to this part. Maybe don't have the cops come in with the expectations to use the weapon?
I would prefer the cops not have any guns at all. They would certainly be more polite. If they are going to go do something that would need a gun they need a warrant and then 5 pages of requisition forms filled out in triplicate to request the guns.
Or we just make it harder to be a cop.
It's not like they've been trained in any de-escalation techniques, if they've been trained at all.
serious question about guns and silencers, but if it was just a tiny gun, would it not be pretty quiet and work as expected like if someone was in a bathroom and the people in the bar wouldn't hear it?
The bigger the gun the more noise it'd make though for sure.
A suppressor on a subsonic .22 caliber gun is about as close to movie/video game quiet as you can expect. There is still variation, but subsonic ammo eliminates the "crack" from the sonic boom (comes from the bullet itself), and the suppressor reduces the muzzle noise a lot. In person I've heard one suppressed subsonic .22, and it was about the level of a good clap. 👏
When shoot subsonic suppressed 22lr, you hear the click of the action and the bullet whizzing down the range. It's crazy.
Must have been a quieter one than I heard then lol. I've seen videos like that, I just assumed they were like, absolute best case purpose built
A good answer to your question needs more specifics, but in general, suppressed handguns with home-defense or target ammo are still loud enough to gain attention.
On the other hand, subsonic ammo will be pretty quiet and reduce the noise drastically, but unless you have the semi-auto mechanics tuned properly, the gun won't cycle the next round in very well. I can't speak to the stopping power of subsonic ammo but again, it probably requires specifics to give an accurate answer.
The far better question is why they need assault rifles?
A suppressor is actually a good thing to put on any weapon. That's why they're becoming standard in the military. Guns are unbelievably loud, to the point that they can cause serious and permanent hearing damage to people around you when you fire them. If you're accepting the premise that an armed police force is a good thing (I disagree, but that's a separate discussion) it at least makes sense to minimize collateral damage. The sound of gunfire is especially dangerous indoors; if an officer was forced to fire their weapon in an environment like they could actually seriously injure innocent bystanders just from the noise alone.
On the other hand, collateral damage is exactly why a 5.56mm carbine makes no sense as a police weapon. Those rounds will go straight through a human body, straight through a brick wall, and still be lethal. You could end up killing someone you can't even see. It used to be that when law enforcement wanted extra firepower, they used submachine guns and shotguns, weapons with very little potential for overpenetration. But then police forces all started freaking out about the idea that every criminal was going to be wearing level 3 body armour and demanding to use the same guns soldiers use (not helped by the fact that cops in the US are allowed to buy surplus military equipment at knockdown prices).
This doesn't come from an operational need, it comes from the fact that every cop wants to cosplay at being military, but without all the hardships that actually come with that. That's why you see federal agents and SWAT all running around in multicam and other military camo patterns, despite the fact that those patterns really don't do much of anything in an urban environment. It's all just dress up to make their peepees feel bigger.
Well said. If you've ever been next to someone at an indoor range firing large caliber rounds without a suppressor, it's very unpleasant to be near them if you're plinking 9mm or 22lr.
I support taking supressors off the NFA (and also abolishing the NFA altogether, but that's another argument). Calling them silencers is incorrect. They're safety devices. Some states don't even classify them as firearms. Any supersonic round is still loud enough to require ear protection.
YES. That is the most annoying shit ever. I'm just tryna have a good time practicing good technique with a handgun and I have to sit and listen to some moron spray hundreds of dollars worth of ammo away so they can feel like they're the coolest dude at the range. Then they leave and we all look around at each other like "thank fuck that asshole is finally gone eye roll emoji"
Maybe they think it looks better that way
...perhaps we'll be fortunate to see them perform as poorly as stanced cars when the revolution comes...
How did Watchmen so accurately predict this timeline?
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
These are people who think they're playing CounterStrike for a living. Of course they're going to look the part.
Because these are just random dudes who bring their own personal weapons from home. It's like a fashion show for them.
How do we know some abductions aren't be carried out by white nationalists murdering the people they toss into vans?
One could, hypothetically, turn this around and use it to abduct MAGAts, no?
Because They played a lot of counter strike
ICE are just random racists they plucked off the street last week and gave a cardboard badge they don't have to carry. It wouldn't surprise me if the hiring stipulation was BYOG.
they're not random racists. They're specific racists, that trump pardoned from federal prison like two months ago and then deputized