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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago

Shit, that's even a Yamaha. They make a pretty decent entry level recorder.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So you've tried art, and discovered it's not for you. That's still better than not having tried art at all in first place. You at least know where you stand in regards to that question now. ...Or at least I hope so.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Not of course that there is such a thing as professional recorder players.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I never learned an instrument (schools don't teach that here unless its of your own volition) and its not that I'm financially illiterate, I just don't trust anyone with my money. So, I guess knowing how to play a flute or some bullshit like that would be net positive.

Guess I'll keep on whistling while my money slowly becomes worthless.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 111 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you’re wondering, Why recorders? — there are three reasons:

  • They’re portable.
  • Recorders in decent enough quality can be cheaply produced, so even low-income children get to play one. Compare that with a guitar where 30$ gets you a piece of wood that detunes as soon as you lay eyes on it. Not great for practicing.
  • Recorders have an easily memorizable fingering scheme that allows you to quickly pick up the C Major scale. Compare this with a guitar where you need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale.
[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale on a guitar. If you know where the base note is, there is exactly one pattern for minor and one for major.

Guitars are very hard to play for kids because the strings are so thin that they hurt after very few minutes.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Guitars are very hard to play for kids because the strings are so thin that they hurt after very few minutes.

That’s a better reason.

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[–] PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

fingering scheme

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 66 points 1 week ago

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't know of any 1st grade classes teaching financial literacy, nor high school classes focusing on how to play a recorder.

I did have a few weeks that focus on domestic finances in 8th grade. That almost nobody paid attention to. So there's at least one school that did both 20 years ago...

[–] justineie_bobeanie@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Music is far and away the more worthy subject.

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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago

Facebook tier meme

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People will be complaining about percentages and fractions being taught instead of teaching how to do taxes or do a budget. Which leads to the conclusion that people are idiots and it doesn't matter what you teach them. Other people are not idiots and they use the skills they learnt doing exercises and homework for good stuff but also sometimes for taxes and budgeting.

There is a cross section of smart people who only learned how to do school work and got straight As but failed to understand how that school work applies to real life.

I've been in classes with people who were in AP calculus have real difficulty in shop class trying to figure out how much square footage of whatever you needed. These are people who can figure out the area under a curve but fail to calculate a 20% tip.

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[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (12 children)
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[–] kadup@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

The goal of schools is not to prepare you for capitalism. Luckily, they're one of the few institutions that are still concerned with human values beyond money.

You could argue it would be valuable, from a practical sense, to additionally offer classes on personal finance, sure, but it's abhorrent to use music lessons as a mocking point or suggest that somehow the school should teach finance instead of all other subject matters.

[–] Impound4017@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For what it’s worth, as someone who graduated highschool in Utah (one of the shittest US states in terms of funding and education) I learned the recorder in Elementary school and was required to take a financial literacy class in highschool to graduate. True, that class taught now-useless skills like how to write a check, but it also taught me about 401Ks/Roth IRAs, how to file taxes, managing credit scores and lines of credit, mortgages and debt, budgeting, and a bunch of other skills besides. I’m not sure how standard this is across the US, but I can’t imagine it’s too uncommon given that it was a shitty small town high school in a deep red state. Hell, I’ve seen memes like this posted by people who graduated in my year and it always perplexes me because I know for a fact they had to take that class.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The number of times I have to explain to people here in California that are my age that they did in fact take financial literacy, or that they were in fact taught skills like what to do during pregnancy is unfortunately too high. Tons of people like to talk about what schools need without realizing that it has it and they just didn’t pay attention.

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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At my shitty red state high school financial literacy was a "life skill class" and only meant for those not looking to attend college.

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[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is stupid.

In school they had us practice recorder in ghe 4th grade, ages 9/10. I took accounting in highschool, ages 16/17.

We did both. Not only did we do both, these two lessons were taught at very different stages of education.

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[–] Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My guy, they're 6 to 8. It's not time to learn that mess

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's wrong with teaching music in school? I never got on with it, but some of my classmates genuinely loved it. And now that we're adults they aren't professional musicians by any stretch of the imagination, but they still enjoy playing just for the fun of it or as a hobby.

Few people I know do financial literacy as a hobby, no judgement though if that's what helps you unwind after a day at the office.

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did teach us financial literacy.

If you found it important as a reasonably intelligent adult you could teach yourself basic financial literacy in an afternoon.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I agree. A lot of people don't know where to start, though. And there is a lot of bad information out there.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Teaching finance is important, but being exposed to arts or different subjects like trade can be beneficial. A well rounded education to maybe spark an interest. Just think we had a whole world of accountants.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago

The recorder is not what was stopping them from teaching your finance.

[–] attempt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah let’s teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication economics, this seems rationale

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

"Financial literacy" is victim blaming. Our economic system doesn't need to be this complicated. You're forced to invest or else your savings are destroyed by inflation. But these investments all involve trusting various institutions, and you have no way of knowing which ones are safe. Oh and don't put it all in one place; you need to find multiple solutions. By the time you're old or disabled, it's your fault you're in this mess.

Our economy is essentially forcing the public at gunpoint to make a prediction about topics they know nothing about. It's a design not for the humans who exist, but for perfectly informed spheres.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

These things put me off music for years. Maybe next time start us with an instrument that doesn’t sound like total shit in beginners hands and which stinks of antiseptic.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What instrument doesn't sound like total shit in beginner's hands? A keyboard?

[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Guitar. Learn 3-4 chords and you can play half of the songs out there. Easy to begin with, hard to master.

Alternatively, Ukulele. Just 4 strings, and smaller, so more suitable for small children, though the chords seem to be more complicated.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can pick up a recorder for 20 dollars and they will withstand abuse. Not so a guitar. I agree that it's better musically and maybe pedagogically but it's got some deal breakers.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

All education should be about creating productive citizens for the state!

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I remember how in 6th grade my (i assume) well meaning teacher decided to have a theme week where we were to pair up, boy and girl and pretend to be a couple and figure out budgeting, finding rent prices for apartments and what kinds of jobs we could have.

That was the week I unlocked existential anxiety that never went away lol. Didn't help that every adult in my life told me to not worry about it and that it would take many years before budgeting like an adult would be relevant for me.

There also weren't any further classes about this type of stuff so I just walked around from age 12 and onward panicking about how I would fail at life because I was bad at math.

Weirdly enough I still remember that the boy I was paired up with insisted we should have a cat and that we should call it Møffe. I remember that our budget was very bad and full of holes and our teacher would come over from time to time. "What about the electric bill? What about the water and heating bill? Remember taxes." Every time she would remind us of something we had overlooked or missed, it felt like my nervous system was being electrocuted.

Pretty hardcore to just throw this type of assignment at 12 year olds with no warning and then never speak of it again.

As an adult I am terrified of spending money on anything that isn't food or bills. My boyfriend constantly has to remind me that we are financially safe because I feel like we could end up on the streets any moment. It's not all a result of that one workshop, but it planted the seeds for that anxiety to grow and blossom into what it is today.

I think a budgeting workshop would be a great idea for older kids who are approaching adulthood and are more ready for it. But holy shit, don't do that to actual children who can't even grasp the concept of taxes and rent money yet.

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Now they don't do either.

OP yearns for the boot of capital

[–] nathanjent@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago

Maybe they tried. It's not like you remember how to play this thing perfectly either.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Why not both?

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