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[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (23 children)

Man you keep just making a variation on the same "fuck the leftists" line over and over again.

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[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 days ago (6 children)

As a trans person, you can suck my girl dick. I am not a cudgel to be used by shitty libs to sheepdog votes for their nonexistent policy.

Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn't doing anything to preserve them.

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?

Every movement has its radical fringe. Virtue signaling either your ideological purity or your solidarity with the only viable opposition are equally feeble attempts at clinging to a notion of victory in the face of total defeat.

EDIT: I wasn't expecting this comment to generate discussion but since it did, let me elaborate on what I meant by "total defeat." The defeat is not an electoral loss, it's the fact that we have relinquished so much political power that all we have left is voting for one of a set of compromised politicians every few years. It's a tired argument because it assumes that it's possible to vote our way out of the mess we're in, and it simply isn't. We need to attack the point of production because it's where the ruling class derives its power. And arguing about our sham elections is getting us nowhere.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.

Libs are still crying about their loss of power, still doing nothing to resist.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (24 children)

When asked what Kamala's opinion was about Trans people and protections, all she said is "they should follow the law".

The fuck is that non answer

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[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I hate that evil Emperor Palpatine. That's why I support Dedra Meero for Emperor. She's a real firecracker that believes in the righteousness of the Empire to maintain order.

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[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I feel like takes like this come from people with no long term memory. Do you remember the pro-palestinian crowd begging Kamala Harris to even pretend like she'd do something to help? And she basically told them to vote for Trump? Blame the Democratic party for choosing to be fascism-light instead of actual resistance.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Multiple people are at fault

  • Republicans for being literal Nazis
  • Democrats for selling their souls to AIPAC and ignoring their constituents
  • Protest voters for not seeing Trump as enough of a threat
  • The two party system for allowing this to happen in the first place
  • Billionaires for funding a literal Nazi
  • The Israeli government for waves hands

As someone who had to leave behind everything and flee the US for safety (2025 was lining up to be a damn good year dammit), I am furious at all of the above

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's mostly fair, but "protest voters" still didn't throw the election. If you added all third party votes to Democrats instead, you'd still have a trump presidency. This is after Harris ran a very right-wing campaign. They bet hard on Zionism, "border security" and military strength and they lost, partly because Trump can do all those things "better"(worse).

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We might not have lost the House and Senate though, in addition to other smaller local races. Stop trying to absolve them.

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Feel free to do the math yourself then. But I don't mind absolving them. They didn't vote for Trump, and they exist in a terrible two party system that makes them choose between fascists. They literally did not cause this. So shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear criticism of third party voters from anyone who hasn't given 10x that criticism of everyone else on your list.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Firstly, you assume I don't criticize others when my original post straight up does. That is a very false assumption. Secondly, you are only absolving them because you are in a position of privilege to do so. Until you've also had to uproot your life, tell your loved ones goodbye, and flee your home because of an existential threat, you have absolutely ZERO right to police my voice on this. With all due respect, fuck off.

I will not be responding further

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ya again, I need 10x the smoke for Republicans and Democrat politicians. Not just a mention. People voting for a better candidate are not the issue. I'm glad you won't be responding cause this level of stupidity is draining.

And you still haven't backed up your claim that third party voters had a significant sway on the election.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 59 points 6 days ago (20 children)

You know how before the elections we say that it's not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it's more important to have it win so that the fascist won't win?

Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.

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[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

Holy blame shifting, Batman!

[–] febra@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Ah, this Pug Jesus. Always angry at leftists showing they're just Republican lite. Got it.

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[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (7 children)

OP admits that they would cast a vote to put trans people in camps if the situation was right. This meme is ridiculous coming from a person like that.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (36 children)

Yeah, OP would enthusiastically vote for Mussolini if the other option was Hitler. They fundamentally do not have a conscience and lack any moral center. There is no red line that would cause them to say, "that's it. Enough if enough. I won't vote for you no matter what the alternative is."

They're a sociopathic utilitarian (or at least they larp as one.) Individual human beings have no inherent worth; all that matters is the cold hard greatest good for the greatest number. In the past, they quite possibly would have actually been convinced to vote for Hitler, as long as Hitler could convince them that the evil the Nazis intended was for the greater good. The Nazis justified all their most evil shit on utilitarian grounds. The road to Hell is paved with utilitarianism.

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[–] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 28 points 6 days ago (35 children)

If the "online lefties" were so powerful a block perhaps Dem's leadership should have courted their vote. If they were so minor a block that "online lefties" should be ignored then you're targeting the wrong people.

But you know this already, I told you before the election that way to win the "no genocide" vote isn't to try convince them to vote "yes genocide". It's to try convince the leaders to stop supporting genocide.

This post is the same punching down shit you were doing before the election.

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[–] astutemural@midwest.social 15 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Folks, OP is a well known anti-socialist who routinely creates messy drama. Nothing to see here, move along.

They do also post quite a lot of nice historical content, which I quite appreciate. Maybe go enjoy that.

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[–] lostoncalantha@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The dems are literally rolling over for fascism. They are complicit.

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[–] bobthened@feddit.uk 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Are we talking about the same Democratic Party who put forward Kamala "I believe we should follow the law" Harris as their only candidate for president?

How you people manage to convince yourselves that a Democratic Party win would achieve anything at all for trans rights, is beyond belief!

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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You already had camps tbh, you've had them for many years now

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[–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (25 children)

I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet? Or do I need to shout blue no matter who for another few decades?

Not voting and voting for trump were both stupid choices. But attacking people who didn't vote for trump instead of those who did is fucking bananas and I don't get the point of this. Are we expecting a resounding vote in 2028 for Harris again is going to fix everything? Come the fuck on.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 51 points 6 days ago (83 children)

Wonder where all those people are? Immediately after the election for several months lemmy was full of people blaming how shitty things turned out on anyone but themselves. “It’s the Democrats fault I didn’t vote even though I know trump is a fascist POS!”

NOBODY thinks the dems are great. They’re fucked up.

But they’re not Alligator Auschwitz fucked up. They’re not screw the country with tariffs fucked up. They’re not ICE Gestapo fucked up.

But that’s not the non-voters fault because this is better than some neo-lib winning.

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[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's a little late now that there's camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like.. decades past.. then the dems would've lost to past republicans who weren't quite dictators.

In that alternate past where the dems actually lose for being center-right corporatists, they would've had to get some kind of spine or plan or... something.. earlier to protect our public news and education from authoratarian misinformation and maybe prevented this bullshit.

In this current world that we actually have though... I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did -- right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (20 children)

True but it's a minor point. Even if every single lefty held the line it wouldn't have made a difference. The people who didn't vote were mostly disengaged normal people and the blame for that is squarely on the Democrats for sucking absolute shit on purpose because of big money in politics.

Have some perspective, pick better fights with worse people. I personally find it extremely unmoving when the left chastises people over politics so good job emulating one of their worst and least politically effective qualities.

Instead, I humbly suggest you try to inspire a shred of hope among the cynical and apathetic - but deep down actually very cool people of the Earth🌠

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[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (14 children)

If genocide isn't a red line for you then you don't have red lines. You will literally vote for rounding up trans people and gassing them as long as the opposing candidate wants to torture them before execution because "it's the lesser evil"

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm getting pretty tired of people victimizing themselves to such an absurd level while people are actually dying because they've been kicked off medicaid.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I would have voted left if I was physically allowed to.

But also you did have a candidate that came in last minute and was a republican-sympathizer.

Do you actually blame them?

Fucking hate this narrative. Go after republicans at least half as much as you go after leftists and we wouldn't be here.

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago (11 children)

I can't find any news story about camps opening up for trans people, is this just random meming or is there substance to the claim?

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