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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Time to adult up and start practicing counter-economics.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 146 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Suddenly

As if this hasn't been going on for decades.

My solution is to do the very minimum I can to get by and otherwise enjoy my minimalist life. Fuck consumerism with a 10ft pole. Let it rot.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean things were looking up and then Trump happened

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We can't lay all of the blame on trump.

The problem is conservatism in general. Every Republican president of the past 50 years has caused economic turmoil. When Republicans get power in the legislature, the only notable thing they work towards is tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, and gutting things that help people in order to pay for it.

Trump isn't singularly the problem here, but he is so fucking stupid that he's speedrunning the economic crisis. A Republican with a halfway functional brain would know to move slowly enough that the economy falls apart as they're heading out the door, not within the first 20% of their term.

Start selling trump "I did that!" stickers of him pointing up at the eclipse. You'll start seeing them everywhere soon. Gas pumps, grocery store shelves, car dealerships, etc.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

Mhmm conservatism is a blight on humanity, nothing good will ever come of it. Every single time a conservative gets in power anywhere it always makes things worse. It is a fucking parasite that most be removed or else it will be the end of you. It denies progress, why do you think we constantly have to fight for basic human rights? Why do you think they want to go back to the 1950’s so badly? They hate that they can’t be openly racist, openly homophobic and openly transphobic. They want to drive everyone into having to play up to their ideals regardless of what you want.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalism has been rotting out the interior of the industrialized world for decades. The dogged belief that Gore or Kerry or Hillary or Harris would have insulated the US (much less the rest of the world) from the same foibles and failures committed by Clinton and Obama and Biden is painfully naive. Nevermind the disastrous administrations of Trudeau and Starmer and Felipe Caldaron.

The idea that you just need a competent liberal technocrat in charge to make a country work never seems to bare out in practice. We get an earful about liberal reforms that will fix everything, but then those reforms either never arrive or get so watered down in the offering that they're meaningless.

Trump's revanchism is actively breaking a rotted out institutional economy. But we've been living in a progressively-more-gutted-out house since the end of the Reagan Admin. "The Free Market" is the root of this decay, not any one of its particularly boorish champions.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

:👏👏👏

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago

Trump is a symptom of the US, not the cause.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, after being taken advantage of by every employer I ever had and still struggling financially I started to realize it's beneficial for my mental health to fuck off as much as I can without getting fired. Just ride that fine line. If they treat you like they want subpar work, give them subpar work.

And yeah, stay minimalist. Don't burden yourself with subscriptions. Don't buy things that require a lot of maintenance. Don't over-extend yourself. It's better for your mental health.

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can’t be sad about being poor if you just stop wanting things.

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[–] mtpender@piefed.social 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Same thing happened to the millennials... It's almost like it's planned...

[–] Artemis@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a millennial (in the middle) I legit assumed this was referring to me 😅

[–] TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Everything has been a downward slide our entire lives which means it also rolls downhill for all the future generations too until someone can yank back on the economic flightstick and get us out of this dive.

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lets have another world war…

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No... no.... No.

Let's have some weird destablizing tech that rich people cannot control or bank on to level the playing field a little. (No, not AI - something like pre-2010 internet). That or aliens, who have the sole goal of trading with us only once our Gini coefficient drops to less than 0.05

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

First thing anyone with matter replicators needs to do is IMMEDIATELY replicate 100 replicators and send them to enough countries that there's no WAY for any corporation or rich fuck to quash it and maintain dominance.

Replicators would immediately destroy any economic system because no economic system would be needed when everything you can think of is a button press away.

Honestly any version of replicators....

[–] Bags@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'll put on my best Keiko voice and disappointed stare.

"But Miles, where do you think the matter replicators get their matter from? And where does the power to run them come from? Until there is a complete and total change in human philosophy regarding the accumulation of wealth, any required resource will become the new vehicle of capitalistic control."

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Matter=energy=matter.

If you can replicate matter with energy, you can turn matter into energy.

First you use a little wall power or even solar power, replicate some chargeable power cells, and then hey look you've got some portable replicating that will work without an obvious power source.

And as long as you have enough matter on hand to convert to energy, you have enough power to replicate things until we replicate space tech like deflector dishes and bussard collectors to soak in all that tasty hydrogen that's just laying around all over the universe.

Jaysus, Keiko, it's like you don't even listen to me when we're having dinner...

back to the pattern buffer for you I guess...

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Welcome to your fourth or fifth once-in-a-lifetime crisis!

[–] kingpepe8006@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

I blame it on the lizard people

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Most millennials graduated shortly after the crisis of 2008. Its a major reason so many of us are unusually much much poorer than the average Gen Xer (who are only somewhat poorer compared to Boomers).

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah. It sure was "fun" competing with people with decades of experience and advanced degrees right after graduation. I hope that our generation and those after us are able to course correct and undo the bullshit that Boomers have inflicted upon humanity.

Note: Not generation war (no war but class war) but unfortunate reality. Boomers overwhelmingly supported neo-liberal politicians that to pulled up the ladder behind them and robbed future generations in exchange for short-term gains.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I decided to finally do my masters in biotech after a decade in data engineering got me to have some savings, mostly because I did want to do one eventually.

Man, these kids don't know what's waiting for them. None of the companies in biotech are hiring, as in their career pages are empty. LinkedIn, Indeed and the usual suspects only throw up listings which are obviously just staffing orgs fishing for data to sell. I feel there is a similar break in the industry with the pandemic, nobody is hiring people just graduating, the barest minimum is 5-6 years of experience.

I'm seeing some of the best minds in Europe here, doing something that is both hard and useful science, I mean we just had a worldwide pandemic and this masters should be extremely relevant for that, and apparently the system will not let them work in their field.

Only way out is academics, on barely-decent, you-will-never-have-a-house-much-less-a-family wages. If they can get in to the limited number of exceptionally "well" paying PhD slots, for 40-45k gross. They may earn as much as me doing random bullshit internal tooling two years ago for a bank that went bankrupt since if they can get tenure as a full prof at a good uni in like 30 years of hard work.

This is bullshit.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

This is exactly why I ended up in tech, despite actually getting a degree relevant to biochem/industrial microbiology. I graduated during the height of the Recession and decided not to go into academia, despite my love of data and research, because they stopped hiring tenure-track at most institutions, replacing them with adjuncts with minimal pay and benefits (even for academia) and poor bastards on the post-grad treadmill.

I fucking hate it and know that I'm not the only person who has been forced out of a research career by these objectively harmful-to-humanity economic policies.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

I'm working on it, I guess.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Older millennial here. Economy took a shit right as I was getting out of college and into the workforce. Good times.

My friends and I weren't financially stable-ish until our mid-30s. And by that I mean we were able to start buying some name brand stuff instead of the knock-offs. Felt like we were kings. But only if we had a significant other to split the bills with.

I'm tired and I don't care about this country anymore.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Immediately before, in my case. I'm thinking of welding some armor to a bulldozer.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 week ago
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

The US is in decline. Hastened by Republican ideology, accelerationists, and general willful stupidity and ignorance to varying degrees across the board. The “economy” revolves more and more around the stock market which only serves to enrich the already well off and wealthy while the rest of the ~90% flounder.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] WizardofIs@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Not personal, def. on purpose.

[–] bazanza@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

Me in college for a CS degree:

[–] Defectus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this Miyasaki or Mr Lahey?

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] sirico@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

Yet another game of shift the wealth

[–] m3t00@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

can live on eggs, roughage and water. quit mowing so no more grass clippings.

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