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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by zzzz@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

I know this would vary from locale to locale, but, presumably, there are some animals that do not require a permit to kill (mice in mouse traps, for example). How does this work? Is there a list of "always OK to kill" species?

Edit: Thank you everybody for the replies!

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[-] shish_mish@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago
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[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Difference between countries, but here it is legal as long as all of the following criteria are met: a) the animal in question isn't endangered or specifically protected, b) if domesticated, that you have destruction rights for the animal (generally the case for pets), and c) it is killed in a "humane way" which is a rather long list of don'ts.

There was a woman in my town charged for animal abuse by trapping mice in a "wrong" way that didn't properly minimise suffering.

[-] Tathas@programming.dev 15 points 11 months ago

That sounds like when my wife set out some no-kill mice traps, but then never inspected them.

During the middle of summer.

When it hit 115 F.

She agreed that kill traps would be more humane going forward.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So how was the mouse organ?

[-] Tathas@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

Disgusting :p

[-] PlexSheep@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago
[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Norway, but I believe we have basically same laws as rest of Europe even if enforcement varies.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Depends where you live. Wild animals, we called local animal control about a opossum we'd caught in a cat trap (trying to catch a local stray cat) wanting to know what they wanted us to do with it. and they let us know about the felony we were about to admit to committing and did we want to shut the fuck up. Apparently we needed a license to trap wild animals. So telling your local animal control after the fact isn't in your best interests, but they could provide guidance before the fact. If you're in Washington State, you leave those (just put on the local endangered list) western gray squirrels the fuck alone.

[-] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

You just gotta add a sign that says "Warning: trapping wild animals without a license is illegal. This trap is for feral cats only. Any wild animals found in this trap will be shot on sight."

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[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Why are you interested in killing a squirrel?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Is causing mayhem with talking moose

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

OP is a Russian operative confirmed

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Ублюдок

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It calls me names, I can hear it plotting against me!

[-] zzzz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago
[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Not sure if you're joking but I have seen people eat squirrel IRL.

[-] 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Squirrel legs prepared like chicken wings are killer.

[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

It's crazy gow many animals do actually taste like chicken

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I suddenly want to eat squirrel legs.

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[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I wanted to as a kid because they kept eating my hammocks.

[-] HaveYouPaidYourDues@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I'm in the US. I would look under local small game rules. You should be able to find a list or table of critters considered game, and maybe specific rules on "nuisances". If it isn't called out as needing anything special then you're probably fine.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I know this would vary from locale to locale, but

But still you don't tell for which one you are asking?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Shit, if you do in my state I've broken the law hundreds of times. My friend and I used to go out to this bit of farm land specifically to shoot the squirrels, because the farmer paid a bounty on each one brought back as proof. It was like an IRL low-level gold/XP farming quest!

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

You'd have made more money breeding squirrels. Easier too.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 11 months ago

How? I doubt there's much demand for them as food here, and they're not legal to keep as pets.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You kill them and sell them to the farmer... He wouldn't know where you shot them.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 11 months ago
[-] TheKracken@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It's called the Cobra Effect. India put a bounty on cobras and people started breeding them making the problem worse.

[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I love how every evil plan has already been implemented

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago

Georgia has a season for hunting squirrels. I believe you can kill feral hogs anytime but are supposed to use whatever is legal for the current hunting season. Most things have a season. Your state's DNR website should have lists.

[-] teft@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago

In Maine you can hunt red squirrel all year. Grey squirrel season is like September 1 to December 31. Can’t hunt greys outside those months there.

[-] supamanc@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

In England it's illigal to keep a squirrel in captivity, but it's also illigal to release a captured squirrel back into the wild, so the only option is to (humanely) kill the poor fucker.

[-] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Grey Squirrels I presume. I imagine they don't want the reds killed.

[-] Devi@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Did you know both are invasive? I read a study once that our native species of squirrels are extinct and went extinct some time ago.

At roughly the same time rich landowners imported both the Eurasian reds and the American greys. We have decided to conserve the reds as they’re closest to our native reds but it’s very subjective.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 11 months ago

Why in any hell would you import squirrels‽

[-] Devi@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

In the 18th and 19th centuries big fancy estates in the countryside would import 'exotic' animals to have on their land to show off their wealth. It's where a few of our deer species come from, pheasants, partridge, the little owl, and the squirrels.

Some others were popular but didn't naturalise, like peacocks, it's interesting to think how life would be if peacocks were as prolific as pigeons.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 11 months ago

Peacocks are as ornery as canada geese and make more noise. It's not great when not your peacock decides he's gonna roost on your roof.

[-] Devi@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

I used to work at a zoo that had free roaming peacocks. The noise is the worst thing for me, it sounds like someone being murdered, they're also huge!

But on an aside, Canada geese were also introduced by rich men showing off to their friends.

[-] supamanc@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago
[-] Devi@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Nobody has ever faced charges for it. If you find an injured grey, care for it, then release it.

[-] supamanc@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, guaranteed I would be the first 🤣

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

There are multiple different rules in many locales. Here are the rule for MN (as of 20 years ago) The DNR has a season on them, so you have to have a small game license (no license needed if under 16), hunt in season, obey the maximum per day limits, and eat it after you kill it. The health department considers them rodents and will sometimes issue permits to kill them year round in specific areas, you don't need to eat them. Agriculture law allows you to kill any non-endangered species that is a pest (this is what allows you to kill mice as well).

Remember the above is MN law as of 20 years ago when I last checked. Such law changes from time to time and place to place.

[-] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Really depends state to state or even property by property. For example, you need a permit to hunt squirrels in South Carolina, however you don't need one to hunt coyotes. The reason is 1: your more likely to go after a squirrel than you would a coyote, and 2: coyotes are actually a problem for wildlife in SC and you are actually allowed to kill one on cite. I guess the factors come down to likelihood of being a target and whether or not it's a nuisance.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

For species that are listed as nuisance animals, it can be legal to kill them without a hunting license and out of a hunting season. If there's evidence that the animal is causing significant harm, it can generally be killed.

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