The way everything they say is dismissed is the reason we are where we are.
this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2025
215 points (97.8% liked)
News
32206 readers
2335 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Oh those poor oppressed white men.
Neo NAZIs should not be legally allowed. Didn't we fight a whole war about them.
But these “white men” have been doing all the mass shootings these past 10 years so I hope they fight themselves.
spiderman_pointing.jpg
What are they protesting? He was shot by a white Christian man.
Ignore reality. Fight against your perceived threats. The blacks, immigrants, women who stand up to you, and people who make you feel bad.
White men fight back... Against other white men... Or something...
Woe is me, the persecuted man at the top of the hierarchy! Look how small my slice of the pyramid is! Nobody knows the troubles I’ve seen!
… dude, just wear eyeliner and listen to My Chemical Romance like the rest of us did in our teens and you’ll eventually fit in. You’ll outgrow it.
just wear eyeliner ... You'll outgrow it.
JD Vance: Instructions unclear.
He heard ‘fuck the establishment’ and looked round…
Is an establishment some new type of furniture?
The second definition is ‘a business organization, public institution, or household.’.
And proceeded to mount their couches.
This white on white violence is destroying the country
IIRC the traditional response to x-on-x violence has been "good, let 'em kill each other" and conservatives love traditions
Let god sort them out.
Fight back against the white men who are killing the other white men?
Unless you've spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.
I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don't even really encounter the "theory" that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but when they do see it in passing, it can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a ~~NATO~~ liberal lie machine that's just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they've been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they're getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they're on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.
The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women's sports and going into women's bathrooms and saying they're "transgender" and it's a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.
It's just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it's all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn't the way it's supposed to be. But they don't really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don't make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don't hear much else.
And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we're openly assassinating their leaders. And so why wouldn't they fight "back"?
They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.
I'm not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.
But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don't conform to the group. That's why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.
All of these takes are plausible, but it's still just pure speculation. He's not a clear indication of either side or sub-group, so until more definitive evidence comes out it only does more damage to make unfounded claims.
They're not interested in getting the message. The dog whistles went out a long time ago and there's no calling them back.
I have reliable intel that Saddam Hussein was behind this
White men are fighting back. That’s why Charlie Kirk is dead.
Absolutely, when white men are being oppressed, it's generally by other white men. So I guess white men are fighting back against other white people. But no that's not it, for some reason they are oppressing minorities of all kinds instead, because skin color and culture scares them. In fact everything scares them, like science and everything based on reason even human rights are scaring them now, so they want to take them away.
Why? Because they are so fucking stupid, they are scared of everything about society, because they understand nothing, and that makes them scared.
You don't have to be white for that, problem is when the majority with all the money and power feel that way, things must have gone completely haywire in that society. They are oppressed by their own, but blame everybody else!!!
Regarding Charlie Kirk specifically, he was white right wing extremist who condoned gun violence, who was killed by another white right wing extremist, who used gun violence to kill him.
What the fuck is it they think they are protesting? They are their own worst enemy, not normal sensible people who actually care about other people. Or what they call "radical left".
The radical left... didn't you hear? How dare they want rights for people... how fucking dare they think thats a good idea... so let's kill more people that are not white...
The fucking level of insanity going on is insane
The logic is along the lines:
I'm starving and they want to give everybody food. But I don't want everybody to have food, I want more food just for ME!.
And:
They want freedom of religion (normalo people) , but as a right wing extremist I don't want that, I want all religious privileges for MY religion, and none for the others. So I can discriminate them, but they can't discriminate me.
There is no living peacefully with such people, they hate everything that is in any way different from themselves, and they are selfish to a degree they believe they are somehow entitled to have it better than other people.
And the "somehow" is because of their race and their religion which is barely religion, because they have zero actual religious knowledge, it's merely a faith they believe agree with all their own prejudices about the world,and their sense of entitlement.
It's insane that so many humans have such low intelligence. And I'm not talking about learning from books and being good at science, the bigger problem is that any sensible social intelligence is completely gone for very large parts of American society, and we just saw it's a problem in UK too.
Yeah, it's all about in groups and out groups... which is about controlling people by making them part of a group and others not...
Are these white men fighting back against other white men who keep shooting people they don't agree with like Charlie Kirk, who's murderer is a white Mormon male?
Do they realize these dudes they want to fight back against have all been white men?
Just like Jesus preached.
🙄
"If anyone smacks you on the right cheek, turn and slap that mofo upside the head" : Trump 3:16
Republican Jesus! The guy who said that the sick deserve it, fuck your neighbors you got yours, and amass as much wealth as possible.
Except trump is a weakling and a coward. If you slapped him and there was no one around to protect him, he would beg and grovel and cry and offer you money to stop.
Maybe they should focus on doing something about white on white crime, before taking to the streets and making it out problem...
You're acting like they feel shame or care about their hypocrisy. If they're knowingly acting in bad faith from the start, there's really only one way to deal with them.
They probably still think the killer is a trans immigrant. Much more convenient than facing reality.
No, it's somewhat more disturbing.
Kirk was outside of the shooter's in group. In Fascism those in the out group need to shut up and get out of the way. It doesn't matter to the shooter that Kirk was an ultraconservative bigoted lunatic, he wasn't conservative enough. Since he was still talking and not getting out of the way, the Fascist believes he has an obligation to fix that problem.
And what's stranger, is that there is no doubt in my mind that Kirk thought the same thing about Fuenes. But they would both agree that if I had any public speaking ability (or any speaking ability for that matter) I would definitely be more important to sanitize first.
Fascists are elementary school boys left without supervision. That's all they really are.
As motivation for the killing, what you're saying is correct. But when it comes to protesting in the streets, they're going to go after their usual token minorities, regardless of who did the actual killing. Hence why they're trying real hard to label an obvious groyper as "left-leaning" and pretending he had a trans roommate.
Honest question: Can you please explain how he is an "obvious groyper"? I would like actual evidence, not just vibes. Everyone is saying he's not on their side and he has some characteristics of both, so what are you basing that idea on?
Damn.....punching down like ya do. Soooo.....this is all just the White Man freaking out they won't be on top forever. Nice.
One can only hope. First time I heard the white replacement theory I said "thank God, we sure as shit ruined it for everyone else."
Party o~~f law a~~n~~d order~~.
Naw, parties are fun, this is sad.
I don't know, I'm having a pretty good time watching them implode. Could be one of those rare occasions where the trash takes itself out for a change.