Wow whole bunch of old man takes about computers and not a single one about public schools being systematically defunded, dismantled, and squeezed in every way possible.
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I worked as a teacher for a while until quite recently.
99% of public discourse on education, is based on the (traumatic or positive) individual experiences of people who went to school years if not decades ago, not people who actually know much about what they're talking about.
But what about the LGBT agenda that's replacing math and reading education where children learn how to vote Democrat instead of learning how to read or multiply? /S
Sounds about right. I really do make an effort but when I am helping my kids with the New Math I am mentally screaming "why did they change this!?". I do like the sightword system however. So yeah if I am getting a bit annoyed there are probably parents who are getting less annoyed and other parents getting very annoyed. Bell Curve.
when I am helping my kids with the New Math I am mentally screaming “why did they change this!?”.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you're anything like many of the parents I've heard complain about modern math curriculums, you were probably taught that there's a correct way to do every math problem and if you aren't doing it that way then you're doing it wrong. What modern curriculums do is teach children that there are multiple ways to get to the correct answer, so they can choose the methodology that is easiest for them to understand. Because not everyone's brain works in the same way, and the old style of teaching sets up barriers for some students.
I got poor math grades when I was a teen because I didn't always do the problems the way the teacher wanted us to do them, even though I got the right answers. I had come up with my own process. I scored almost perfect on the math SAT and ended up in computer science. Now, when my kids ask for help with their math homework, I see that they're learning a bunch of different ways to do the problems. Not all of them are intuitive to me, but some of them are basically what I figured out on my own. I think it's great.
“why did they change this!?”
It's funny, as a child learning 'old math', I always thought "is this the only way to do it? Why are we doing it this way?"
Glad people are finding alternatives instead of just getting tunnel-visioned into doing what we've always done.
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In what world do you think children have fewer resources at their disposal now than they did decades ago?
Because teachers are picking up the slack at the expense of their own financial and mental health.
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Its them dang tiktaks
1 out of 4 were low performers in maths, reading and science
So the bottom 25% were all in the bottom 25%?
Let’s say “low performing” means you scored 20% or lower on the test. We’d write that as “25% scored 20% or lower.” But you could move the measure of “low” to whatever.
It’s not “the bottom 25% were in the bottom 25%.” It’s “25% met the criteria for low.” Those are different things.
…unless this is a /s that I’m too tired or socially inept to process. i’m trying to be helpful.
Kind of, but if you take a bunch of maths PhD students, the bottom 25% will still get decent scores. I guess this just meant the bottom 25% was performing poorly not just compared to the top 75%, but also compared to a fixed limit.
I never trust articles with adjectives like "unprecedented" or "worrying"
Its political season folks, gird your loins
This is a good point. Thank you for pointing it out
I feel like kids (hell, I would also) have been smarter if they used platforms like Reddit/Lemmy etc to learn and discourse constantly. I learn way more in these environments than I ever learned in school. I write (not quite essays but still extended body of writing) just by willingly engaging here. You would have had to pull teeth most of the time to get anything out of me in any comparable sense back then. YMMV
Part of that may be just that you're older and more mature now than when you were a high schooler. Encouraging kids to go on Lemmy and Reddit would just lead to most of them screwing around and looking at memes, not learning.
While some of that is true, as a kid I got involved in online forums and the exposure to ideas there, I think, did help broaden my horizons and spark interest in topics that school would not necessarily have cultivated in me in the same way.
As a kid I got super into runescape. Screwing around? Certainly. But also talking with people, studying guides, learning routes for xp farming and I guess even basic economics while saving for a party hat lol. Spent time on the forums as well.
I wonder if engaging with all that text based content made me more inclined to stick around forum style sites such as lemmy, or if even all the way back then that type of experience just appealed to me because of the type of person I am.
I learned to type playing Everquest. I could barely manage 15 WPM when I got the game, and in a year or two of playing, with no other real typing going on, I could do 100+ WPM. Schools in my area hadn't really adopted computers in classrooms; there was a computer lab but no real computer related classes, and there were computers in the library for research, but I didn't have any real exposure... until Everquest.
Typing of the Dead definitely upped my speed back in the day.
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Nah, it was lack of awareness of it (like nobody ever "showed" it to me so I didn't know to look for it) and lack of a good 3rd party app to make it palatable. Apollo was revolutionary to me when I discovered it in that regard.
I did a decent amount of learning as a teen. I'd have done more if not for the depression
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Hard not to think that's intentional. Ruling elites don't need educated masses which are harder to condition and control. Populisms don't need people to have critical capacity.
"The equivalent of losing three quarters of a year of learning"
"COVID probably played some role but I would not overrate it"
:thonk:
Cognitive decline appeared in article writing as those illiterate, illogical people found work.
Controversial take: go back to pencil and paper and less screen time.
Before anyone thinks I hate computers, I’ve a BSCpE and am an active sr developer.
Controversial take: Pay people what they're worth so only 1 adult in the house needs to work 1 job for 40 hours to provide for the family. This will free up that parent (in a single parent household) or free up 1 parent (in a dual parent household); to help with schooling.
Controversial take: keep the populace ignorant so they don’t get ideas.
And position dumbasses as role models... the willfully ignorant and screechingly loud kind.
Controversial take: unga bunga, bunga unga
A lot of people don't think it bungas like it ungas, bungas ungas.
It is absolutely true that increasing income can improve parenting and by extension the outcomes of kids, but there is also evidence that using computers too much can be detrimental for their education.
Really it's no different than how these things affect us adults: We all know that social media is trying to monopolize our attention, and that it's affecting our attention spans and mental health. Although arguably for kids it's even worse since their brains are still in development.
I was thinking of this (how computer use affects the brain) recently and wondered if there is any evidence on how driving affects the brain. Like, humans have only been able to go faster than a horse for like the last ten minutes of our existence; is the brain even wired to make sense of such accessible travel without piquing our subconscious fight or fight response? Like do we get a dose of adrenaline and cortisol every time we get on the highway? Maybe that's all farvagnugen is.
Solved.
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The future Republicans want.
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