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[-] teft@lemmy.world 115 points 9 months ago

Ctrl-shift-esc will open the task manager directly. None of that Carl alt del nonsense.

[-] buycurious@lemmy.world 76 points 9 months ago

Ctrl-alt-del is meant to be a hard interrupt to the system.

Ctrl-shift-esc treats it like another task.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I assume this terminology originally referred to an actual interrupt handled by a kernel interrupt handler, and half of the people in this thread have no idea what that means.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 23 points 9 months ago
[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 100 points 9 months ago
[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

I don't even get why force shutting a program isn't the fucking default.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 53 points 9 months ago

Because you run the risk of corrupting files.

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And then they'd start doing drugs, gambling, taking bribes ...

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 9 months ago

And prostitutes. And shiny metal asses.

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In fact, forget the closing of programs.

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 48 points 9 months ago

It can be really dangerous for some programs. I don't know too much about Windows, but in Linux, if we try to close a program once, it sends SIGTERM (or SIGINT, I can't remember right now), which basically asks your program to stop. You program can receive that signal and finish things up and exit cleanly. But if your program is deadlocked and can't handle that right now, closing the program again sends it a SIGKILL, which is basically the OS saying, "Get fucked. You're done whether you like it or not."

[-] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 9 months ago

It's not dangerous for programs, it's dangerous for files it may be editing, like not writing some ending characters that leaves the file in a state that cannot be opened by some applications.

[-] dandroid@dandroid.app 5 points 9 months ago

I didn't mean the programs were in danger. When this is done to some programs, it can cause bad things to happen to your computer.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 9 months ago
[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago
[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

The one thing they're missing, which honestly shouldn't happen on at least desktop distros, is the system becoming unresponsive under memory pressure because before the kernel decides to kill off anything it rather swaps its own data structures out to disk, grinding everything to such a crawl that it's indistinguishable from a complete freeze.

The solution is early OOM, which is more aggressive at killing things off and it honestly should be installed and activated by default.

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[-] Zellith@kbin.social 43 points 9 months ago

I prefer control & shift & esc.

[-] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I have no clue how long it had existed on Windows at that point (I think I got it after several years of using XP?) but I discovered Ctrl Shift Esc to task manager pretty late...

Which is interesting because I had used that combo a lot on my old 80s computer before un-learning it. Ctrl Alt Del didn't exist on it (alt wasn't a thing and the key labelled "delete" was the equivalent of backspace). Ctrl Shift Esc was the *break* command back then, which let you interrupt whatever program was running.

[-] jinarched@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago

Ctrl-Shift-esc

You're welcome.

[-] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As the fifth person to say that, I think the author may have baited you into writing this. It's sinilar to when someone misspells a word in the title of a TikTok video, as tons of well meaning people will comment on the error, thus generating attention.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I see what you did, there.

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Faster to open, doesn't send a system interrupt.

If all is well: CTRL+SHIFT+ESC

Stuck program needs a kick in the ass: CTRL+ALT+DELETE

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 months ago

Had a beast of a desktop machine back in 2000, it could even decode DVD real-time. But sometimes DVD playback would hang. Pushing the power button 5s would switch off the machine, but 3-4s would get DVD playback working again.

That's how I learned that the road to success is to bully and intimidate... At least your hardware

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Back in the 00s, when you told Windows to sort a big directory by modified date or so it would take ages, but be faster when you scrolled up and down. That's still the case. Presumably that's because explorer will launch more concurrent "get file metadata" tasks. Overall it's still slow, though.

It's actually not NTFS's fault, but explorer: Nushell gets file metadata in at most 1/100th of the time (the sorting itself is negligible), Linux is still faster at handling NTFS than windows even then, though, nushell on windows is merely fast enough to not be annoying.

[-] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago

I'm running Linux but I thought CTRL, Shift and ESC is the shortcut for Task Manager

[-] swag_money@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

it is! but you can also launch it from the ctrl alt delete menu

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

True, but CTRL+ALT+DEL sends a system interrupt in addition. Breaks a lot of deadlocks, hence why people think it's magic.

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[-] sag@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

You just thought?? I was damn sure

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I'm pretty sure CTRL+ALT+DEL used to be the task manager shortcut, but around 7 or 8 a menu was added with logout and shutdown options. I don't know how long CTRL+SHIFT+ESC has been a thing, but it's an effective replacement (and easier to press with one hand :] ).

For everyone who wants a better task manager, go to Microsofts Sysinternals Website and get Process Explorer. You're welcome.

[-] naticus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I hate how multi-process apps never really show their memory usage very well anymore in Task Manager. Been using Process Explorer since before Russinovich sold to Microsoft and it's easily been the best one I've used on Windows to get a better picture of what is going wrong.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

Yeah, windows task manager doesn't do shit if you are already low on resources. My desktop doesn't have a lot of resources to be used up and there have been a few times task manager is just as bad as the programs I want it to kill due to lack of resources.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It will very gladly show you all the resources are being consumed by some service you don't need, can't uninstall or disable, and will just consume more resources by restarting if you terminate the process.

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[-] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 9 months ago

Everybody gangsta until kill -9 showsup

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago

Lol every time

I know it's just psychology (and any resource reallocation that happens when task manager opens) but it's still funny

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

I have totally caught malware checking to see if task manager is running, and cooling it until it is closed. Some cryptocurrency mining trojans do this. You can verify it by using a tool other than task manager, e.g. System Explorer or Process Hacker. Usually they're not smart enough to poll for third party tools, so they'll quiet down when only task manager is opened and not when you're using any third party tools.

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

what i really want, what i really need, is just a windows equivalent to xkill. window not responding? ctrl+alt+esc, click. it's dead along with its entire family.

[-] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

SuperF4? It hasn't been updated in years, but I haven't had any issues with it.

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

alt+f4 works, but not super+f4 on my machine. is it supposed to be a more forceful close than alt+f4?

[-] XTornado@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

It's an app.

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[-] thecookingsenpai@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I am still convince that soon or after they will discover an hidden function in Windows that overclock briefly every component when task manager is opened

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago
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[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

DAD'S HOME!!!

[-] shalva97@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I have never opened task manager after I added second 16GB RAM stick. It just all works okay, I don't even have to close programs.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Try running some docker containers. I have to for work.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

I see you don't use Chrome

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