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Kremlin warns Washington of 'fatal' miscalculation to let Kyiv use U.S.-supplied weapons inside Russia (www.cnbc.com)

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 70 points 3 months ago

I remember a joke at the beginning of the war:

"This is actually a proxy war between Russia and NATO. Russia has lost over 10,000 troops already and counting." "And what about the NATO forces?" "They haven't shown up yet."

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

Zelenskyy's joke and a good one.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

Well in another life he was literally a comedian was he not

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A good one too. Then he decided to predict his immediate future via a sitcom about a regular guy getting surprise-elected President. It was pretty funny.

The show got cancelled when he got surprise-elected President.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

He was. Very interesting guy. On his way to becoming a major historical figure. Not quite as big as Winston Churchill but of the same cloth. Both of them told a tyrant to go fuck themselves. Americans love that story.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 69 points 3 months ago

Oh no! They rattled the saber again!!

Fawx News clutches pearls

[+] downpunxx@fedia.io 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I still don't think this is gonna be a nuclear conflict. Maybe I am too much of an optimistic (I dunno how, the world is fucking burning), but I still think the Russian officers that would actually push the button wouldn't do it. A smoking husk of Ukraine doesn't get them much imo.

[-] desentizised@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

I share your optimism but not because I put my faith in the guys (not) pushing the button. Putin at his core and in terms of where he's coming from is a small time FSB thug who made it too big for his own good. Perpetualizing corruption to keep himself in power and amassing enormous wealth at the cost of his people was fun for about one and a half decades. What does a kid do when it gets bored of its newest toy? It demands more of course. There is no nuclear option because little Vladimir knows at that point his days of demanding more will be counted. No more backing from big brother Xi. And all the reason for NATO to actually step in.

Some draw the analogy that you never know what a cornered Pitbull is gonna do but I don't see that being applicable. His recent job reassignments show that he does not feel safe in his position as de-facto dictator anymore. He is much more worried for his domestic survival right now than anything going down on the international stage. He can't nuke his own mutineers thus he needs to keep everyone in rotation so their levels of influence don't get out of hand.

I can't tell you what endgame there is left for Vladolf Putler. The only way onward is to keep the war going, which probably will require a full transition to a wartime economy sooner than later, but he probably doesn't want that toll on the Russian people. Nuclear weapons would mean the opposite of keeping the war of attrition going and he knows that.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Cold War ICMBs can't hit Ukraine. They were designed to reach the US and some of them Western Europe, not what was at the time Soviet Union.

It's one of the reasons Ukraine gave up its nuclear missiles, they were useless as a deterrent against Russia.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Oh really? Have any sources? That is fascinating. I always wondered why anyone would sign the Budapest agreement. Or whatever it was called.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think most of it is on Wikipedia. Ukraine really tried to hang on to the nukes but iirc after several years they couldn't make them work because they didn't have the command codes.

Even if they had been able to break the codes they'd have had their work cut out for them putting them back into working order, performing maintenance, aiming and launching them etc.

And after they managed all they'd have to deal with the fact these are ICMBs, they have a minimum range of 5000km. The only part of Russia they could've hit was Siberia.

Eventually they figured it's worth trading a bunch of useless weapons for a good deal with the West – who were the most interested in decomissioning those weapons because like I said they were aimed at them not at Russia.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Very interesting thank you. I'll go read the wiki on it

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

Ukraine's big enough you could drop several nukes on it and there'd still be plenty of Ukraine left.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I mean, so is Japan.

Don't take my word for it. See a map.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

And what do you know, there's plenty of Japan left.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Oh. You're speaking literally.

My point was that Japan surrendered.

But come to think of it, the nuclear landscape was very different back then.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

Russia, all this time you've been claiming Ukraine was yours already and you were just taking it back. If we take you at your word, we've been letting Ukraine use US supplied weapons 'inside Russia' all this time since 2022. So how is what we're doing now different? Or are you saying that Ukraine ISN'T yours and you're there in violation of international law as well as the Budapest memorandum?

[-] desentizised@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

Couple Z brains just got an aneurysm from logic overload.

[-] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

Russia right now...

[-] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"You're a loony."

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

"What are you gonna do? Bleed on me?"

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

When you sound like North Korea, you’re definitely winning

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

I mean, sure it's fatal. For the Russians.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

[-] Tobberone@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago

So, basically, there is a difference on one side or the other on a line of a map somewhere? There is a Russia and not-Russia. So even Kreml doesn't think Chrimea is part of Russia...

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

In other words, the Russians are afraid of this. Then it must be a good decision.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago

You've dun it nao 'arry porrer!

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

We ain't a-feared uh' you.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah we've heard this dog barking a lot in the past couple of years. We actually bites us let me know so that I can be worried after the fact for a change.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Bane.meme
"For you."

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

whatever either nuke kyiv or fucking eat missiles, rusdorks.

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

& therefore Russia shouldn't be using Russian weapons inside Ukraina, then, right??

Oh, just Russian gaslighting, again?

sorry, I forgot..

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