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[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

By that definition could you have a swamp bog, a swamp fen, a marsh bog, and a marsh fen?

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Wildlife biologist here, Absolutely.

Oddly enough I usually see/write it fen/bog marsh. There are tons of other qualifiers too, like salt marsh, tidal marsh and such.

The same applies for all 4 examples if it's needed. Salt swamps and fresh water swamps and such.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

I'll have a tidal salt fen marsh, with extra tide.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oddly enough I usually see/write it fen/bog marsh.

I was going to ask about the order of adjectives, actually, since I find esoteric grammar rules oddly interesting and have been on a bit of a "adjectives hierarchy" kick lately.

[–] Pilon23@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are any of the combinations more prevalent than others? E.g. do bogs/fens encourage or discourage trees from growing?

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I don't specialize in that particular area so I couldn't say honestly.

My primary focus when I did was just dealing with the Everglades and surroundings for the most part.

Worldwide I'm not sure I could even guess what should be more common.

Canada has those prairie potholes which are usually marshes and Canada is huge, so maybe sheer numbers it could be something like that, but by size you get things like the Everglades. I'm sure someone knows though, just not me.

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[–] Pilon23@feddit.dk 12 points 1 year ago

I'm also curious. Can't find a way to subscribe to a thread, so I'm leaving a comment to check back later

[–] sverit@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I just think it's fenny

[–] Senseless@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As non-native english speaking person that's highly fascinating.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago

I think this is more to do with scientists' definitions than English in general. See also: what is and isn't a nut, what is and isn't a vegetable, is there such thing as a fish.

[–] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

How am I supposed to estimate the pH value of a given wetland area without specialised equipment?

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
  1. Take a sip. Did you trip balls? Acid.
  2. Take a red wire, black wire, and a clock. Can you power the clock? Alkaline.

Duh.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Just call it something online, if people don't immediately pop out of nowhere to correct you, then you're probably right.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
  1. Determine whether it's a swamp or a marsh.

  2. Tell someone else you did your part, now it's their turn.

[–] brap@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What, you don't carry pH test strips around as a matter of routine? /s

[–] Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lick it. Just a little bit. Just a little snaky lick...

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Learn botany. You can tell the approximate pH from the species of plants growing there.

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[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe you can find some red cabbage growing nearby?

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what do you call a wetland that has a neutral pH and mixed vegitation?

[–] scbasteve7@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Just from what I found, swamps are wetlands with woody vegetation being what DOMINATLY inhibits it. So if it's mixed, find out what there is more of. If it's 50/50, I guess the universe collapses.

And a wetland with a neutral ph is just called a neutral wetland.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Everything is a wetland.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never knew the fen/bog part! The only reason I knew swamps from marshes is from labeling them in OpenStreetMap

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Help, I'm stuck in a wetland, but I didn't bring my litmus test!

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I'm looking for you in the bog but you're not there

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It feels so liberating to hear it just said out loud

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

I forgot already before I started writing this comment

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’ve never heard of a Fen before

[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fen the wetland type or fen the plural of (sci fi/fantasy) fan? Or had you heard of neither?

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like it could be the name of a Hobbit. But no, never heard the word used before. I’m from Georgia and live in Virginia. Never been to a mountain wetland or to middle earth

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

I think I have only heard the term in:

  • The plural of fan: sci fi stories set in the distant future of 1990, also in early internet fandom
  • The wetland: stories from the UK, embedded in British place names, having a British parent

I wonder what sort of wetland my local one is, and the nearby swampy grasslands. Both are watered by rain or snowmelt. Both are marked as wetlands on maps

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's cuz ya basic like one :)

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You are not reading enough fantasy books, then.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

So, it would be a swampy bog and a marshy fen, but not a boggy swamp or a fenny marsh?

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
[–] maculata@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

LOUDER, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BOG!

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty hecking neutral

[–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Dale/glen???

[–] BurnedDonut@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago

And me still not giving a Fuck...

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

I fucking hate Tumblr users

[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

i love when scientists take a swamp of arbitrary language terms and decide to impose some arbitrary specific meanings on them for purposes of their specific discipline and then convince people who don't really get how language works (i.e. most people) that the definitions are authoritative. it's fun to watch the cognitive dissonance when this collides with actual usage and people get all angry and righteous.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks crossword puzzles!

These come up pretty often for some reason.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Epee, Oreo, era, isle, ore... Lol

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So is the pond in my yard that I created 25 years ago, but then neglected for most of the last 10 years a swamp or a marsh?

There's not a lot of woody crap growing in it, but there is a tree that sprouted at one end that I've been trying to kill.

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