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The U.S. government’s road safety agency is again investigating Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” system, this time after getting reports of crashes in low-visibility conditions, including one that killed a pedestrian.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says in documents that it opened the probe on Thursday with the company reporting four crashes after Teslas entered areas of low visibility, including sun glare, fog and airborne dust.

In addition to the pedestrian’s death, another crash involved an injury, the agency said.

Investigators will look into the ability of “Full Self-Driving” to “detect and respond appropriately to reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if so, the contributing circumstances for these crashes.”

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

Makes you wonder if removing the lidar and using fucking cameras isn’t part of the problem… cheap bastards.

[-] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Was that cause of the cost? Didnt Elon come out claiming lidar was a "crutch" or something?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Well he said all sorts to try and justify it but really it was a cost-cutting exercise, of course it was a cost cutting exercise, why else would they do it?

Anyway that explanation doesn't make sense, if using lidar was a crutch then surely that's a good solution right. It's a bit like going, no you shouldn't use wings on your aircraft that's a crutch, you should be using the antigravity tech that we don't have yet.

In the long run there probably are going to be better solutions (that's how civilizations advance), but those better solutions don't exist yet, so... maybe we should use what we have.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

It's an extra 60k.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Charge the stupid fuck Tesla chain of decision making with murder. This bullshit "self driving" advertising is premeditated, that's no longer manslaughter.

And charge the driver(s) with manslaughter under aggravating circumstances.

But oh no, muh profts, hurr-durrr....

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Wouldn't it be death by negligence rather than pre-meditated murder. After all I don't think anyone at Tesla actually wanted this particular person to die, they just didn't really care to take any action to prevent it.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

"I aimed my rifle at that person's head and pulled the trigger, but I swear I didn't want them to die"

Tesla should be broken up and reassembled with zero overlap in management.

And yes, legally it won't stick, but the shitty south african oligarch should absolutely be tried for murder.

[-] awholenewworld@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago
[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

The government for letting tesla get away with false advertising. They let them do it because they swallowed the hype along with Musk climate saviorism.

[-] awholenewworld@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

What about the people for letting the government get away with bad governing. They let them do it because they swallowed the hype.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Still governement's fault for brainwashing the population with neoliberal governemental donothing-ism which fedback into the system as paralysis and letting liars lie for clout and money (Yes, I mean the Musky one)

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 146 points 1 week ago

Eyes can’t see in low visibility.

musk “we drive with our eyes, cameras are eyes. we dont need LiDAR”

FSD kills someone because of low visibility just like with eyes

musk reaction -

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's worse than that, though. Our eyes are significantly better than cameras (with some exceptions at the high end) at adapting to varied lighting conditions than cameras are. Especially rapid changes.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Not only that, when we have trouble seeing things, we can adjust our speed to compensate (though tbf, not all human drivers do, but I don't think FSD should be modelled after the worst of human drivers). Does Tesla's FSD go into a "drive slower" mode when it gets less certain about what it sees? Or does its algorithms always treat its best guess with high confidence?

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[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is now definitely on Musk's list of departments to cut if Trump makes him a high-ranking swamp monster

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

This is legitimately one of the real reasons Musk is pushing for Trump so hard. NHTSA (and all the other regulatory agencies) were effectively gutted completely by the Trump admin and it's basically the entire reason Elon could grift his way to where he is today. The moment Biden got into office, basically every single agency in existence began investigating him and pushing blocks out of the proverbial Jenga tower of the various Musk companies. He's praying that Trump will get elected and allow him to keep grifting, because otherwise he's almost definitely going to jail, or at a minimum losing the vast majority of his empire.

[-] lurker8008@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago

Why do you think musk dumping so much cash to boost Trump? The plan all along is to get kickbacks like stopping investigation, lawsuits, and regulations against him. Plus subsidies.

Rich assholes don't spend money without expectation of ROI

He knows Democrats will crack down on shady practices so Trump is his best bet.

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[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 90 points 1 week ago

Tesla, which has repeatedly said the system cannot drive itself and human drivers must be ready to intervene at all times.

how is it legal to label this "full self driving" ?

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