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karcatgirl-vantas:

the default way for things to taste is good. we know this because "tasty" means something tastes good. conversely, from the words "smelly" and "noisy" we can conclude that the default way for things to smell and sound is bad. interestingly there are no corresponding adjectives for the senses of sight and touch. the inescapable conclusion is that the most ordinary object possible is invisible and intangible, produces a hideous cacophony, smells terrible, but tastes delicious. and yet this description matches no object or phenomenon known to science or human experience. so what the fuck

skluug:

this is what ancient greek philosophy is like

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[-] fatalicus@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

sightly is a thing... Something that looks good.

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

And touchy is a thing, it touches back, so it’s something that looks good, can touch you back, smells bad, is loud, but tastes yummy…

[-] KidsTryThisAtHome@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Or it gets really defensive when you ask if personal questions

[-] Mozingo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
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[-] some_guy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We also say someone is a “looker” when they’re hot. And that things are “touchy.” though the latter is often used figuratively, it can be and definitely is used literally.

Also cows smell terrible, make a ton of awful noise, but taste delicious.

This post is just shitty, misinformed pontification. It’s definitely not anything close to philosophy.

[-] AMuscelid@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I mean, the description of shitty misinformed pontification describes a pretty good chunk of Greek and roman philosophy. Have you read a lot of Aristotle?

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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

But, something can look so aweful you cannot avert your eyes of it. Like a stereotypical car accident.

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is very much "I am 14 and this is deep" territory.

Adjectives describe. By using them, we are emphasising a quality of a given thing. That does not make it the "default state" (a problematic concept) of that object, even if it is a desirable quality.

The "default state" of food is that it is edible, ie. that it can be eaten, as food is defined as that which is edible.

there are no corresponding adjectives for the senses of sight and touch

Visible. Tactile.

Noisy

Even by OPs logic, "noise" is not one of the senses. Audible is the correct word here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_universals

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The punchline is the comment about how the OP is like Green philosophy.

You're picking apart the setup, not the punchline, and therefore being "that guy" who ruins the joke.

Stop it.

[-] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

... All the comments. They're all missing the point that some Greek philosophy and classical rhetoric is indeed like this. This is where I'm pretty arm's length with some schools of thought; it sometimes all seems constructed on some dubious first principles, or leaps of logic.

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[-] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Why can the replier in the screenshot poke fun at the nonsensical nature of the first post but not us in the comments?

How does that ruin the joke for you?

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[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

If you think the original poster was even remotely serious you need to take a break and expose yourself to... Idk, Conversation? More comedy? Media literacy lessons?

If this was your attempt at comedy, drop the first sentence and be more belligerent in your indignation.

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[-] VicentAdultman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

In your philosophical knowledge, is there a need for a iam14andthisisdeep community? I pretty much think that the sum of a determined number of children make up of a real adult.

[-] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly, and on top of that this only works in English and only in dialects where these words are used that way.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm not sure how they concluded "there's a word for this therefore it describes a default object"

Man that car was speedy! Therefore the default speed is fast.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That really is more or less how Greek philosophy worked.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The joke reply is great but the initial post not so much

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 39 points 1 year ago

The default touch verb is bad, because nobody has ever used the word "touchy" to mean something good.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And "sightly" isn't as common as "unsightly", so the default sight verb is bad.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Smells bad, something you do not want to hear, do not want to touch and do not want to see. But tastes good. Don't anyone say it's shit or ill slap you.

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[-] Suspicious@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago

thats referencing either the phrase "touch a nerve" or the person in question touches things/people too much, it doesn't factor into this discussion where it's describing properties of an object rather than personality traits

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago

When you say someone is a real looker, it means they're attractive, so I'd say the default state for sight is appealing.

[-] MBM 13 points 1 year ago

Very sightly

[-] sic_1@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

Good point. Also, there's touchy feely so the most ordinary thing seems to be a loud, stinking and attractive creep with strawberry lipstick or something. 🤔

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You also say they're "hot," which suggests that your eyes have the capability to gauge temperature.

[-] Pirasp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Which they do, by the means of black body radiation.

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[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My thesis brings all the boys to the forum.

And they're like, "This makes us a quorum."

Damn right, this makes us a quorum.

I could teach them but I might just bore 'em.

[-] jedi_hamster@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Basing life philosophy on English grammar...lol

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[-] Twinkletoes@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Farts must be delicious 🤤

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

OP out here acting like no one's ever tongue-punched a fart-box.

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

You're definitely describing a fart.

[-] MR_GABARISE@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

tastes delicious

Uhhhhh...

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I'm no good at remembering itemized lists ^^'

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

He's totally describing chickens. Aside from the invisible part.

[-] porkins@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The person is not wrong about Greek Philosophy. Have been reading some of Plato’s works and he does have a bit of an absolutist way of presenting things that sometimes fails to address the nuance. The things that he is right about though transcend time and are eerily relevant to our current circumstances, so his thoughts on him an nature tend towards accurate. On this example, Plato would probably script Socrates explaining to Glaucon, and indeed does, that vision is tied to brightness and darkness and that somewhere in the middle is where you’d want to be because brightness is brought by the sun, which is hot, but you can be tool dark and cold in a cave. He’s then be ADHD and explain that the cave is a metaphor for our knowledge and since light lets us read, we lack much knowledge when being in the dark. Glaucon would then quip that people can still talk in a dark cave and that their voice might even be echoed and Socrates would probably say that without the warmth from light, the soul won’t listen to the loudest voice. It goes something like that.

Screaming invisible cheese?

A gas being forced through a pipe that's smelly yet sweet-tasting?

[-] Deuces@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Evaporated durian juice

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

Why do we park on a driveway and drive on parkway?!

[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Shipments go by land and cargo goes on ships...

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Bro forgot disgusting

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

It does match one phenomenon. Survival. Noise is important for listening for predators, smell let's you know if potential food is rotted and our sense of taste helps us distinguish between calorie dense food (sweet), salts and micronutrients (salty), acidic foods (sour), poisons (bitter) and protein (umami).

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Survival

Why did I read that in Agent Smith's voice?

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