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Abbott ‘has the blood of a child on his hands,’ a congresswoman said. ‘No good person would do this,’ said Mexico President López Obrador.

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[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago
[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Almost like adding unsupervised obstacles to a dangerous environment contributes to harmful outcomes. Somebody should get paid to write up an article on the subject for the Journal of Foreseeable Consequences.

If I booby-trap my home and somebody gets killed trying to break in, I (rightfully) go to prison for murder. If a politician booby-traps a border (with exceptions for situations involving war) and somebody gets killed trying to cross, they should end up behind bars too.

[-] Uprise42@artemis.camp 17 points 1 year ago

The issue with that argument is that people supporting this believe they are fully allowed to booby-trap their house.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Luckily, ignorance of the law does not insulate those individuals from consequences if they act on their incorrect beliefs. Just wish we'd apply the same line of thinking without regard for the perpetrator's level of political influence.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Unless they're a cop, then it's called qualified immunity.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

While I have no doubt that people believe this. The people charged with enforcing the law should be aware of the law.

[-] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The judicial system strongly disagrees with you on that one.

[-] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too many things I want to reply to.

Sorry a kid died because their parents were 'breaking the law' How did a kid manage to make it to the border Nobody accused Abbott of being a good person Death traps. Roll a DC 15 constitution save.

Remember when there was a time that the president of the United States characterized the place we live as, "a shining beacon on a hill" and "bring us your tired, your weary, your broken masses" (sic) ...

The USA, despite your opinion, remains one of the most wealthy, prominent, and aspirational places to be (or arguably has ever existed) ... you can choose one of two paths ...

You can feel empathy for those that suffer and try to find a way by any means or you can say fuck 'em.

Choose empathy. We need a more effective, rational border policy. I'm not all rainbows and sunshine. One thing that needs to happen is an amendment to the constitution. Just because you're here and pump babies out doesn't make xyz a citizen. That is a supremely archaic provision of the constitution that needs amendment. It's no small part as to why some people risk their lives just to get here.

Ultimately people want to improve their station in life and we should not begrudge them for doing so. Improving one's station is what we all wish for. We need to put pressure on our politicians to do things to IMPROVE the situation because the status quo is not only immoral but impractical.

[-] trooperjess@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I hate to tell you this. But has always been this way in the us. It used to be that the USA has a quota amount that we would except in the us. That's one of the main reasons that you sure turned away from New York. Cuz I would have to increase the quote on the West Coast

[-] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You're right but we also didn't go drown them in the Hudson. The southern border can be a savage place. I'll never forget stepping out of the car during a cross-country trip and immediately losing my breath due to the heat.

[-] trooperjess@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not disagreeing with you at all just pointing out that this attitude isn't out of the norm for the USA. I will state this next sentence kinda the same pattern with US the bullshit at the border we just didn't kill people. But is True for most of the time in the us history. The USA would just send the the people back on the boat that came in one. But in the late 1930 and early 1940 we sent many jews back to Germany to be gassed, starved, and worked to death. Did US pull the trigger no. But did the US doom them I would say yes but at that time wasn't known what would happen when her were returned. That being said just pick up the people and send them back across the border it isn't that hard. Does it cost money yes but damnit I don't think traps need to be laid to kill people.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Abbott is such a colossal piece of shit. The oak should've won.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Shit like this makes me feel all bitey. Blood calls to blood. Gets my heart pumping in the wrong way. I need carbs or a riot and I don't want to riot.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Fuck Texas, they'll find the roles reversed when their desert shithole becomes unable to support human life. I say throw a border around that bitch and let them apply in place for asylum.

[-] Llamabrodog@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

For a state that believes in good Christian values they sure suck at being Christian...

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Nobody ever accused Abbott of being a good person.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Abbott is a murderer. Arrest him.

[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

What are these buoys and how are they used to deter migrants?

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

My understanding is that they are death traps designed to pull you under into a net and then you drown. There are warning signs on the US side but not the Mexican one.

Not sure how they work as a deterrent, maybe the goal is to kill enough people so news goes back to the migrants' countries and scares the others off the trip? Otherwise if you already made it all the way to the border I don't think you'd turn back because of them. Then again maybe the point is simply to kill migrants.

[-] pankkake@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Isn't laying death traps... you know, illegal?

Not if you're a Republican with pussy Democrats as your opponent

[-] User_4272894@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And if this were literally the only potentially lethal hazard on these poor people's trek, it might actually work as a deterrent. But when people are fleeing for their life, through lethal hazards literally every day of the journey, only to face lethal risks after actually settling in America? What's one more risk, when the penalty is always the same...

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There's also apparently barbed wire laid under some stretches.

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