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[–] cannon_annon88@lemmy.today 1 points 2 minutes ago

This wouldn't even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.

And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s

[–] whitewashersmud@lemmy.world 2 points 18 minutes ago

Thanks, feminism.

[–] imetators@lemm.ee 0 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

Heard they planning to do same shit in Russia. Honestly, I don't think this will work in any country.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 hour ago

With the tariffs that hardly helps.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago

He should know that you can't buy that many diapers with $5k.

Unless he doesn't do his own diaper shopping I guess...

[–] based_raven@lemm.ee 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You can't clothe a baby for a year with $5k? We did it for basically fuck all. Had a load of stuff handed on from other parents, got some stuff from ebay and in sales. The fuck are you dressing the kid in, solid gold? Also how much is this person spending on diapers? There is no way you're spending $5k on nappies and clothes for a baby in one year, utter lunacy. Not that I agree with anything that Trump does, but this seems like a huge overreaction. I'm not from the US so I don't know how expensive this stuff is over there, but if it really costs this much to clothe one baby for a year then fuck me and I'm shocked.

[–] whitewashersmud@lemmy.world 0 points 15 minutes ago

A lot of these people have been conditioned to spend their money like idiots while complaining they don't have enough.

These are the kinds of people who are "not good enough" to shop at Walmart and subscribe to things they can be getting for free.

[–] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€

well, that'sper month until they're 27 (as long as they're still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
...

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don't know, either.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 31 minutes ago

We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only every outscales the 5k.

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 hours ago

See. Let's ping Trump and tell him about it.

Maybe he'll see the light

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Lmao no it doesn't

Americans aren't that stupid

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 11 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Daycare cost $2k a month

Is that for real? That's more than (many) private schools in Europe.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 36 minutes ago

A 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house in Toronto costs more than a castle in france

[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

https://blog.dol.gov/2024/09/30/we-analyzed-5-years-worth-of-childcare-prices-heres-what-we-found#%3A%7E%3Atext=Monthly+childcare+prices+in+2018%2Cof+a+family%27s+median+income).

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/15/business/child-care-cost-average-annual

It can depend of state to state too. In Oklahoma, our cost of living is considered low but we have a high poverty rate. Our median income per household is 67k, and single income is 35k. Childcare for infants averages around $800 a month

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Well to be fair, that's what it costs in many European countries, too.

That's why many women don't work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.

That's why everyone needs free daycare. That will generate a higher GDP for everyone.

[–] whitewashersmud@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago

That’s why many women don’t work. The cost is basically as high as a low paying or part time job.

Interesting point. We should re-normalize the idea of the stay-at-home mom.

Let's be real, the people who promoted women going to work were almost always willing to shame those who decided not to. Let's stop doing that.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

https://www.daycarefee.com/countries/germany/

I don't have a full analysis, but at least this source points at 1500 to be the high end of the expensive cities in Germany, with public care as low as 100.

So is 2000 a "normal" value in many areas, or a high end of some?

I have the feeling this is inflated and we just accept.

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago

Thanks for sharing.

I checked for Netherlands and it seems to be easily over 2k a month for fulltime care (172-240 hours).

The thing I wasn't aware of is the subsidies low income parents receive. Up to 96%. Seems to be a bit lower in practice, but still almost all is covered.

That doesn't account for high cost areas, and is dependent on income. But the conclusion seems to be that it's far cheaper than I mentioned for the end consumer.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 1 minute ago

So 2000 a month is greater than the max of the range in the most expensive states.

All values are crazy, don't get me wrong. But less crazy than originally stated.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.

How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Ironically, thats the exact idea behind the whole trade war thing. It has lead to TSMC already accelerating their plans to expand the Arizona microchip fabrication lab, which means... Factory jobs, the thing we used to have in the 70's.

[–] julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works 5 points 42 minutes ago

US economic output is more than adequate to achieve this already, but we choose instead to concentrate the benefits in the hands of a few.

Regarding tarrifs bringing back manufacturing: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/trumps-tariffs-what-is-behind-them-and-will-they-work "but this is very unlikely to work. Manufacturing has changed, with production now spread across multiple countries in so-called ‘global value chains’. Moving whole supply chains back to the US is going to be prohibitively expensive, result in rising consumer prices and make US-produced goods internationally uncompetitive. The model of manufacturing that underpins Trump’s approach simply hasn’t existed for the best part of 40 years, and is not coming back."

[–] whitewashersmud@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

That's not going to solve anything because it's going to make products more expensive, which is the 'exact idea.'

Enrich American oligarchs instead of those abroad that might be giving us a better deal.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 49 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It won't even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real "how much could a banana cost" energy.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And you wanna take that baby home? Well there's a few for that.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They'll need a population boost after Trump deny's immigrants entrance into America.

[–] qbus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

$5k in a Roth IRA in the sp500 at birth is the only way that it is worth anything.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago

Haha, what's $4k in the sp500 gonna do? I guess having $3k in the sp500 is better than nothing...

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 14 points 6 hours ago

monkey paw finger curls You get free healthcare coverage and half minimum wage for each child just for existing. However, you and your child must renounce your citizenship, forfeit your passport, and accept indentured servant status until you can buy back your citizenship after repaying the government child support in full.

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